Pres. Bush is listening to the defeatist democrats for ideas on how to rephrase “cut and runâ€.....Mr.conservative
Stand with me as an American and lets support what our rightfully elected government decides to do!!!
Is this some new policy of yours or were you following your own standards these past 5 years? Seems to me President Bush and the Republican Senate and Congress were “rightfully elected”.....but you didn’t support them now did you
Your posts are more and more true to the leftist democrat mold every day, and would be more at home on daily Kos
I still haven’t heard a democrat call for removing all of our troops and leaving them to fend for themselves. Those are Hannity’s words when he takes a soundbite out of context.
Umm, noooo, as the link I provided indicates, that was from an article by Rowan Scarborough of the Washington Times.
But if you were to do a Google search on “pelosi troop pullout” you will find many references to Pelosi calling for an immediate pullout. Not the least of which occured in December 2005 when she strongly supported a Murtha plan for immediate pullout. Murtha estimated that would take 6 months, meaning that had he had his way we would have been out of Iraq last June. Oh, Murtha did say to leave a smaller contingent of Marines behind in “the region” for rapid-response. Can we say “Mogadishu” anyone?
So, they really weren’t calling for removing all the troops and leaving no US force in the region.
You keep changing what you’re saying. First it was leaving Iraq, then the region. What’s next? Leaving the planet? It’s not cut and run if we keep some troops on planet Earth???
You keep changing what you’re saying. First it was leaving Iraq, then the region. What’s next? Leaving the planet? It’s not cut and run if we keep some troops on planet Earth???
A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.
Robert Frost (1874 - 1963)
Hipeefreek......you are getting beat like a bongo drum and you think you will win by getting a bigger drum?
You went from “show me one democrat who wanted us to leave iraw immediately” to “yeah but they didn’t say leave iraq with no help at all” now to “but they didn’t mean no US force in the region”
This is all very enlightening to a student of the sixties. We lost nearly 50,000
soldiers fighting a country that never attacked us. There was a discourse but nothing on
the fast track that Iraq is on. We fought in Vietnam for 8 years before the this debate
began to drive the entire country.
Now we fight a country (Iraq) that started a war ( Kuwait) and defied us, forced the world to engage and defeat it ( partially ), harbored terrorists that plotted against us,
refused to abide by the truce terms, shot at our planes daily and constantly threatened to do anything it could to acquire and use weapons of mass destruction ( gassed the Kurds ) and we lose in three years the same amount of brave men as we lost in one week in Vietnam.
And its time to cut and run. My, how the speed of light has increased and resolve has decreased..
This is all very enlightening to a student of the sixties. We lost nearly 50,000
soldiers fighting a country that never attacked us. There was a discourse but nothing on
the fast track that Iraq is on. We fought in Vietnam for 8 years before the this debate
began to drive the entire country.
Now we fight a country (Iraq) that started a war ( Kuwait) and defied us, forced the world to engage and defeat it ( partially ), harbored terrorists that plotted against us,
refused to abide by the truce terms, shot at our planes daily and constantly threatened to do anything it could to acquire and use weapons of mass destruction ( gassed the Kurds ) and we lose in three years the same amount of brave men as we lost in one week in Vietnam.
And its time to cut and run. My, how the speed of light has increased and resolve has decreased..
The best post I’ve read on this site. Congrats NortonPete
Alright, I’ll have to admit that Murtha started the “cut and run” rumor, but his plan called for leaving troops in a ready response position...not surrender, or cutting and running.
Now, I’ve given half an inch...can you? Can we argue the merit of any certain plan rather than boiling it down to a sound bite that isn’t even accurate?
The goal of this war ironically was to make the world safer. As much as I whine about it being a bad idea to begin with, we’re in it now and a real solution needs occur, not stupid partisan talking points. Admittedly I love stupid partisan talking points, but they really get us nowhwere.
AS for the person who said I would be better off on Daily Kos....I’m not here to talk to a bunch of people I agree with, that gets boring. I’d like to exchange ideas. As right wing blogs go, this one seems pretty reasonable.
I am currently reading a book I saw in the library (that I just couldn’t pass up) entitled “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by Gregg Jackson. In it he observes that it seems odd that this non-violence attitude seems to be standard liberal mantra while the reality is that the U.S. became involved in WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam under Democratic administrations.
It really makes one wonder that had this started with Clinton (which it probably should have) if we would be hearing all this fuss today.
P.S. If I could ask John Kerry one question, it would be “Did the good guys win in Vietnam?”
There are the reasons that are published for going to war and then there are the reasons
to go to war. They are not always equivalent.
The sub Asian , Mid Eastern oil rich region is of course an area of great concern.
The “Crescent of Islamic Fundamentalist” stretching from Pakistan to Syria is a serious
concern for regional stability.
We now have a foothold in Afghanistan and Iraq. However bad, however dangerous to our troops,
we have bases that fragment this hot bed of Islamic fundamentalists.
We need to learn how to leverage this advantage before we just “cut and run” from the area.
Perhaps 10 years from now we will have significant influence in this area.
Perhaps 10 years from now we will have significant influence in this area.
At the rate things are going, I doubt we will have that opportunity. The Fifth Column that is today’s MSM is going to keeping braying until we withdraw. Even if the Democrats should grow a spine, I have my doubts that the MSM will do a 180. The only thing I see, and it is a frightening thought, is another major attack on U.S. soil that may change the attitude. Even then, I am not sure there will be a turnaround, more likely a “see, we told you so”.
