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Maybe, we need to pass a law requiring all news reporting has to have an accompanying “truth in reporting label” provided by the guardians of truth.

And we all know that “truth” is registered to FOX news and Rush Limbaugh. It looks to me like the voters have finally wised up to the scams.

jacksbrat - 18 November 2008 11:40 PM

Maybe, we need to pass a law requiring all news reporting has to have an accompanying “truth in reporting label” provided by the guardians of truth.

And we all know that “truth” is registered to FOX news and Rush Limbaugh. It looks to me like the voters have finally wised up to the scams.

Arch says’

Jacksbrat. If you call those people “wised up” then your intellect is in serious question. Are you wised up too?

I love how you liberals look at an election you won by having your guy run on tax cuts - a conservative issue - and take it as evidence that the country has embraced liberalism.
Yet you have no explanation for why two states that went blue also approved measures banning gay marriage, an issue near and dear to liberals, measures that in both cases were passed by Hispanics and Blacks voting at 70% rates to ban the practice.
Why did that happen if the country is liberal?

jacksbrat - 18 November 2008 11:40 PM

Maybe, we need to pass a law requiring all news reporting has to have an accompanying “truth in reporting label” provided by the guardians of truth.

And we all know that “truth” is registered to FOX news and Rush Limbaugh. It looks to me like the voters have finally wised up to the scams.

Curmudgeon - 19 November 2008 12:05 AM

I love how you liberals look at an election you won by having your guy run on tax cuts - a conservative issue - and take it as evidence that the country has embraced liberalism.
Yet you have no explanation for why two states that went blue also approved measures banning gay marriage, an issue near and dear to liberals, measures that in both cases were passed by Hispanics and Blacks voting at 70% rates to ban the practice.
Why did that happen if the country is liberal?

Arch says”

Curmudgeon. They always have to deceive to win. Jacksbrat will have no logical response to your query. The voters in the USA are going to wise up fast once the Obama express gets rolling. It will be some fun to watch the deception become exposed for what it is. They have no excuses now.

Virtually every poll taken in the last 30 years shows that Dems have less basic political knowledge (eg, who is your congressman, or who is the Secretary of State?) than Reps.  There is a 380 page book that delves into this extensively.  See Democrats and Republicans - Rhetoric and Reality (Algora, 2008).

Duh.

Now, here’s some more news.  A week before the election I was playing golf with seven other guys.  After golf, we were sitting in the clubhouse swilling beer.  Three of the guys are transplanted New Yorkers (former Digital employees).  They all were swooning over Obama so I asked them a few questions.

Did they know Obama favored the Fairness Doctrine?  Uh, they didn’t know what it was.

Did they know that Obama was a co-sponsor of EFCA and that it would do away with secret balots and lead to expansion of unions?  Uh, they knew nothing about it.

I explained it all to them and I subsequently sent them emails with links to these and other topics detrimental to Obama’s glow.  They voted for him anyway.  So, although I didn’t take a poll, I can assure you that “informed” Obamaniacs acted no differently than the ill-informed.

There’s a reason I refer to some of you as the Dumbest Generation.

Saying that “Nanci Pelosi is the Speaker of the House,” is just a Republican talking point, would be one of them.

jacksbrat - 18 November 2008 11:40 PM

And we all know that “truth” is registered to FOX news and Rush Limbaugh. It looks to me like the voters have finally wised up to the scams.

(laughter)

Brilliant satire, Grandpa. Can I have some of your high test moonshine? Or are we going with the roadside hemp this time?

MSNBC exit polling shows that O’bama overwhelmingly won the votes of high school dropouts. In two key battleground states, Ohio and Florida, he got 70 percent of them. McCain only got 30%. In the 2004 election, they split almost 50-50, and in 2000, Al Gore won 59% of high school dropouts. Looks to me like you’re wrong again.

You may be right about one thing though-"the truth” certainly is NOT registered to Fox News’ counterpart across the aisle, CNN, which was the network of choice for you O’bama drones. Let’s look at CNN’s record of “truth-telling”, shall we? Then you can provide us with examples of “Faux News” doing the same thing.

1. CNN falsely accused Americans of nerve-gassing civilians in Laos. They later had to retract their false reporting, and fired two producers. The “reporter” who covered the false story left the network in disgrace.

2. CNN’s CEO, Eason Jordan, admitted in a New York Times op-ed piece that he and his “news network” had given Saddam Hussein’s atrocities against his own civilian population a pass for 10 years-just so they could keep their precious Baghdad Bureau open.

3. Jordan later had to resign in disgrace himself, after falsely accusing US troops of murdering Iraqi journalists.

4. And earlier this year, CNN, without apology, showed video supplied to them by terrorists in Iraq. Said videos showed the view thru a sniper rifle scope of US soldiers about to be picked off.

LOTS of falsehoods and anti-American lies in those four examples, Pops. Can you give us comparable examples of Faux News lying to the American people?

Key word: COMPARABLE. I don’t care about Fox News’ Carl Cameron making up something silly about Jean-Claude Kerri in 2004, or mistakenly reporting WMDs being discovered in Iraq. I’m talking about real anti-American stories that CNN had absolutely no problem passing off as truth.

And then there’s this-from CNN’s The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, Thursday, September 1, 2005, covering the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina:

BLITZER: “You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals, as Jack Cafferty just pointed out, so tragically, so many of these people, almost all of them that we see, are so poor and they are so black, and this is going to raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story
unfold.”

Face it, Grampy, if a Faux News anchor had said the same thing, you and Media Matters would have called him a racist.

Got any better jokes for us?

Nice post Del,

I’d like to add one simple observation here. All the examples you cite from CNN involve a common-theme: deception. CNN in each case knowingly reported material that they either:
1. Knew to be untrue
2. Was deliberately “spun” by the omission of strong qualifying or mitigating details
3. Amounted to bald editorialization without any substantiating facts. Editorialization later proved to be factually false.

All are examples of a deliberate attempt to deceive in furtherance of CNN’s own agendas. Liberals love to crucify Fox for any and every little mistake, but a mistake is something entirely different from a deliberate lie. To my knowledge, there has been no comparable instance of such deception by Fox.

Moreover Fox operates almost entirely within the sphere of pop culture—its programming reflect the conventional wisdom far more often than it challenges it.

Even the opinion shows choose their topics and guests largely around the “discussion agenda” developed by other news outlets and Dem operatives. Yeah, they’ll present the other side, but they’ll also repeat and reinforce the initial narrative.

Pop culture wants a narrative—it has no time or interest in “critical thinking” about little things like “facts” or “historical perspective.”

Pop culture is the collective mindset of the mob; political correctness is it “moral” code; Hollywood and the MSM pander to it. It now appears that 52% of Americans live in that echo chamber. Dangerous stuff.

Curmudgeon - 18 November 2008 06:06 PM

the 12-question, multiple-choice survey also included a question asking which political party controlled both houses of Congress leading up to the election—57% of Obama voters were unable to correctly answer that Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.

This (and the rest of the article) shows exactly why I quit giving the RNC any more money.  They are completely out-of-touch with what the average voting American knows or does not know.  Very basic ads explaining things like “Are you better now than two years ago when the dems took power?” or “The stockmarket soared during the first 6 years of Bush’s presidency” aren’t ever done.  They need to listen to a few of Sean Hannity’s “Man On The Street” segments.

Florida IT Guy - 19 November 2008 01:12 PM

Nice post Del,

I’d like to add one simple observation here. All the examples you cite from CNN involve a common-theme: deception. CNN in each case knowingly reported material that they either:
1. Knew to be untrue
2. Was deliberately “spun” by the omission of strong qualifying or mitigating details
3. Amounted to bald editorialization without any substantiating facts. Editorialization later proved to be factually false.

All are examples of a deliberate attempt to deceive in furtherance of CNN’s own agendas. Liberals love to crucify Fox for any and every little mistake, but a mistake is something entirely different from a deliberate lie. To my knowledge, there has been no comparable instance of such deception by Fox.

The thing that bothered me the most was that the CNN stories were all anti-American. I have no problem with news folks questioning the government, but when they start making stuff up their motives have to be called into question.

lgire - 20 November 2008 09:34 PM

DEL: “ Fair and Balanced” repeated by Fox 100 times a day. A lie? A deception?  A Joke?

Is a deliberate lie like a true fact?

Arch says”

lgire. Goddam you are stupid! True lies are facts in themselves, merely just lies. Where is your logic?

Florida IT Guy - 19 November 2008 01:12 PM

Nice post Del,

I’d like to add one simple observation here. All the examples you cite from CNN involve a common-theme: deception. CNN in each case knowingly reported material that they either:
1. Knew to be untrue
2. Was deliberately “spun” by the omission of strong qualifying or mitigating details
3. Amounted to bald editorialization without any substantiating facts. Editorialization later proved to be factually false.

All are examples of a deliberate attempt to deceive in furtherance of CNN’s own agendas. Liberals love to crucify Fox for any and every little mistake, but a mistake is something entirely different from a deliberate lie. To my knowledge, there has been no comparable instance of such deception by Fox.

Fox has also corrected any error in reporting has anyone here seen that done on MSN or others??