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Power Line is a site that is dedicated to trashing Obama. But you have no problem patronixing it. Before he was in the lead Power Line was a site dedicated to trashing Clinton. Both of them. Poweer Line is ALL ABOUT TRASHING the Left. But I still find it interesting to see how conservative have to spin the truth.

Now the topic was “Did McCain leave some arrows in his quiver” or something like that. My position was he went pretty far into the realm of lies and smearing. Threw them at Obama, a new one every week, ever since he won the primary. And I offered a compiled list of his campaign lies as proof.

Refute THEM if YOU can.

No, Marko, this web site is an opinion blog and a damned good one too. The site you linked to is an attack site and I will not patronize it.

I’m your basic vanilla Democrat. Just like the majority of the country. (ref: 2008 election)

You can’t prove a negative. I suspect you practice bestiality nightly with a smelly goat. Care to prove me wrong? See? You can’t do it. Does that make my suspecians true?

If you are a vanilla Democrat, then we must re-define the term.

-Show me a post where you have broken with left wing orthodoxy in favor of conservatism.

Why? I don’t believe in conservatism. Most people don’t. I don’t believe in unicorns either. Do I have to show you a post where I broke with my disbelief in mythological animals too?

Thank you for proving my point.

-If you are not a Marxist, what are you, a capitalist? Do you believe in free markets? Why? Have you ever uttered anything about corporations that wasn’t negative? Are there any areas of business and the economy where you would like LESS regulation? Is there any area of economic life where you want LESS government involvement?
-Can you give me even one issue that you are conservative on?

I think corporations are basically driven by the “deadly sin of greed. So they need to be closely monitored. I believe that de-regulation is lawlessness. I don’t believe that capitalism is Americanism.

Like I said, you’re a Marxist.

So, what is conservatism? William F. Buckley would have nothing to do with the party of G. W. Bush.

We can have that discussion once we have sttled this one.

I think there is too much government involvement in torture. It should be left to criminals.

Or are you a died in the wool leftist/Marxist?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I am a leftist. A proud American leftist. Not a Marxist.

What’s the difference? I don’t see any.

Oh, and Obama IS a Marxist.

Because his political enemies labeled him that, during an election, in an attempt to smear him? That makes it so?

No, he’s a Marxist because he wants to spread the wealth, have our youth serve the state, bankrupt industries, and socialize our economy.

I suppose John McCain fathered a Black baby out of wedlock too.

Both of these themes came from the same political operative.

No they don’t.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Even Republicans lie about the opposition, especially during an election. Although I suspect that one day a Marxist could win the White House. So what? They might be what the country needs at the time.

One did. And I see you can’t bring yourself to renounce the Marxism you deny vehemently.

What do you do for a living? I have this suspicion you attend classes. Wait until you have to be in the real world, well, unless you end up working for the government.

Roy Rogers - 16 November 2008 12:55 PM

Rocketman ~(Ä)~ - 16 November 2008 11:40 AM

Electra - 16 November 2008 11:13 AM

With people like Rose all over the map and guys like sevry seeing a boogeyman behind every tree, what does the GOP have too forward to? More of the same.

More of the same? They should have a bright future without the likes of Rose or sevry or me. Right? But they have you. Now, that’s more of the same.

They have you and millions like you. How’s that workin’ for them?

So go bust your knuckles in the streets for them. Be glad your party doesn’t embrace the likes of Rose or me. They have you. And that’s more of the same.

Now you’re free to act like a howling, roving, clamoring mob fighting in the streets. Why not? Works for the other side. But, you look like the other side now.

Enjoy.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...

You wimps who do nothing but bitch have gotten the GOP real far!

We should ALL bow down and embrace your “ethics”.

Sorry, but that’s for LOSERS.

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I’ve avoided this thread for that very reason, the losers.

Some may feel good wallowing in a pity puddle, telling everyone “I Told You So” while continuing to echo obamatard talking points.

I ain’t one of them.

McCain WAS the best candidate for this election. He wasn’t my first choice, but he WAS my party’s choice and that was good enough against Obama.

If you didn’t support McCain the best thing you can do now is STFU and think about how to help the GOP WIN IN 2010, and 2012.

Anything less makes you sound like a petulant libtard.

With all due respect, I’m not wallowing in a pity puddle. I never felt confident with McCain as our candidate. He focused too much on his service, which is honorable, no doubt, but you can’t win an election on that platform alone. He had countless opportunities to set the record straight, dispute Obama’s incessant lies and he blew it..time and time again. He is truly a “reach across the aisle” politician and if it weren’t for Palin, Obama would’ve won by a landslide, IMO.

conservative Tarheel - 19 November 2008 03:22 PM

Hey Rocket man
let me know when you go back on you meds ...
you can’t even quote me correctly ...
till then you can join the rest of the trolls ...
on ignore ....



*click*

Thanks! The last resort for those who have nothing to say.

“troll"?

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Although I’m flattered, let’s get back to the topic (GScott can open an “I can’t get over my MarkO obsession “ thread if he wants, but this thread isn’t about me).

Part of the larger problem the Republican’s faced this cycle, and last cycle too, was the shrinking effect of the Lee Atwater style of politicking which has served Republicans well since the days of Reagan. It just doesn’t work anymore. And after the campaign is over, those who employed it are forced to back-peddle.

“Some of the statements, some of the things that people have said I said about Senator Obama, are simply not true. There are other statements that I made that I wish I had made more clearly, and there are some that I made that I wish I had not made at all. And obviously in the heat of campaigns, that happens to all of us, but I regret that and now it’s time to move on.”

- Joe Lieberman

If smearing doesn’t work anymore, if you’ve got to run on the merits of your own candidate, then a candidate like McCain comes up lacking.

The Republican campaign wasn’t about how great McCain is, (he wasn’t that great a candidate) it was “look how bad Obama is! He’s worse than our mediocre candidate”.  And that tactic hasn’t worked since 2004. But that was the plan anyway.

When we were hearing people complain about Obama’s flag pin, all we heard from Republicans is “If you think THAT’S bad, THAT’S NOTHING, just wait and see how we go after him if he wins the primary”. It you did. There was a new smear every week.

“Some of the statements, some of the things that people have said I said about Senator Obama, are simply not true. There are other statements that I made that I wish I had made more clearly, and there are some that I made that I wish I had not made at all. And obviously in the heat of campaigns, that happens to all of us, but I regret that and now it’s time to move on.” - Joe Lieberman

What an UNpricipled WIMP!

That seems to be a common thread throughout the Dem party.

Friggin’ loons who refuse to take responsibility.

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I see Marko gave up his feeble defense that he is not a Marxist.

You’re a Marxist Marko, and so is your Dear Leader.

GScott - 21 November 2008 02:37 AM

I see Marko gave up his feeble defense that he is not a Marxist.

You’re a Marxist Marko, and so is your Dear Leader.

GScott .... you can not dispute the truth .....
he is probably getting his new orders from the dear leader ....

Rocketman ~(Ä)~ - 19 November 2008 08:39 AM

Nowhere have I EVER written that John McCain is a “conservative”.

And personally, I couldn’t care less what you think you are, if you can’t bring yourself to support your party’s nominee, you’re worthless to any cause you might embrace, but you ARE invaluable to the opposition.

The fly in the ointment of your argument is that party membership has declined as many conservatives switched to “independent” and Reagan Democrats returned to the fold.  They/we are under no obligation to support your party’s nominee just because he has an (R) after his name.  There’s also the problem of younger voters who are not attracted to Democrat Lite or old geezers running on a military record made decades before they were born. 

Finally, the leadership of the GOP needs to realize that elections are about more than holding onto the White House.  IF it had allotted funds to more than incumbent Congressional races and McCain, IF it had realized that the House majority was up for grabs, IF it had promoted its “up-and-comings” within the party instead of adhering to its dinosaur Rinos, the party might now be in a position to block some of the Democrats’ more extreme initiatives.  But it didn’t and judging from its erroneous assessments as to why it lost, I’d say that the Republican leadership learned nothing in 2008.

As Einstein said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.  Good luck with that one next November.

luthie: “As Einstein said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.  Good luck with that one next November.”

What happens then?

It’s no secret that the GOP needs to return to its roots.  I would simply suggest that they pick and choose their battles more wisely.  THIS go ‘round, there was only ONE candidate who might have had a shot at beating the media darling.  Unfortunately, Fred Thompson has a HUGE weight around his neck in his ditzy trophy wife.  PLUS, why take the pay cut?

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Rocketman ~(Ä)~ - 22 November 2008 12:27 PM

luthie: “As Einstein said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.  Good luck with that one next November.”

What happens then?

It’s no secret that the GOP needs to return to its roots.  I would simply suggest that they pick and choose their battles more wisely.  THIS go ‘round, there was only ONE candidate who might have had a shot at beating the media darling.  Unfortunately, Fred Thompson has a HUGE weight around his neck in his ditzy trophy wife.  PLUS, why take the pay cut?

I don’t know, Rocketman.  Admittedly, I’ve been off-line more than on in the past few months due to family stuff, but I didn’t hear or read anything from the RNC leadership about returning to its conservative principles.  It was mainly a bunch of whining and finger pointing at everyone for everything except themselves - long on blame and short on mea culpas.  I’m still waiting for heads to roll - so far, so bad.

Personally, I think that if Romney (and yes, I know you don’t like him) had been the candidate when the economy tanked, the Republicans’ chances at the White House would have been greatly enhanced.  Former CEO vs financial neophyte = no brainer.  As to Thompson’s wife, Jeri, I liked her a hell of a lot more than I liked Cindy McCain, the ultimate in trophy wives.  At least, Jeri had no hand in the breakup of Thompson’s previous marriage, the ultimate in white trash behavior in my book. 

Fred lost a lot of his conservative luster for me when he flipped and endorsed McCain.  “Sucking for a position in a McCain administration” is what I thought, and still do.

J. Galt - 13 November 2008 07:06 PM

old foot soldier - 13 November 2008 05:18 PM

All of you here, except the lib loons, are starting to come to your senses, after the late debaucle, I’m relieved. Something has to be done about the election proccess, that lets party officials ram down our throats people who couldn’t get elected dogcatcher in a one horse town, and I wont even mention the fraud and corruption going on. This whole cycle has left me sick and demoralized.
We can’t do much about the Dhims, they’ll carry on with their shinanigans unoppose, but we’ve either got to change the stupid party, or get rid of it completely. Change it by withholding donations,time, and votes, and not falling for the old chesnut of voting for the lesser of two evils. Until you do your going to get more of the same, you can take that to the bank. I started when they gave us McChump, the balls in your court.

Respectfully, not voting to punish a party for an inferior candidate only plays into the hands of the other party.  I really can’t imagine proudly telling my kids or grandchildren that my response to encroaching Socialism/Marxism was to do nothing.

You think McChump would be better? Just the other day BO met with him, so they could make plans on how to “co-operate” on issues. Do you think amnesty might have come up in their little get together? I’ll be very proud, thank you,when I tell my grand children, that when this country started down the road to destruction, I took no part in it by voting for either POS socialist running for office, but when it’s time to take it back, I’ll be there, just as I have in the past.