For Obama to have not been born in Honolulu requires a whole series things: 1) it being legal and proper for COLBs to incorrect information (Honolulu birthplace) as fact OR Obama to have forged the document, 2) High-level administrators in Hawaii to publicly lie and risk their careers for the sake of Obama’s cover-up, 3) Vital Statistics to fabricate their report to the Honolulu Advertiser in 1961 OR the Dunhams to inexplicably and mysteriously be allowed insert a personalized report into a section of the paper who’s normal source is Vital Statistics - and while their at it, to make the entry completely consistent in format with the other entries (down to noting the couple as Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama - despite the apparent fact that they didn’t care for their relationship), 4) a very young pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham to travel to Kenya (where is the documentation?? how did she pay for it?) for god knows what purpose (to meet Obama’s other wife and young baby perhaps? - that would go well...), 5) a pregnant woman to be refused passage back to Hawaii - even though she was able to go there shortly before while also pregnant - and even though pregnant women are actually allowed to fly (see also: Sarah Palin). This is the sort of thin gossamer that conspiracy theories are made of.
1) see all the legal reasons a COLB can be altered from the Hawaiian statutes
I saw no mention of being able to change the stated birthplace. Sex yes, parentage yes… birthplace?
2) not lied...carefully parsed wording..they did not say it fully matched for example such as birth name or listed father of the child
It’s still a lie. A lie of omission at the least.
3)The ‘Vital Statistics’ section of the paper was just a heading they used and not an official output from the state government. All entrants were paid vanity announcements from the families that were not verified and only put into a common format. There were many more births than reported in that section , very similar to wedding announcements only were few and far between.
And you know this how? From direct experience which spans the early ‘60s? What you are claiming is in direct conflict with the claims of the paper and with the department of vital statistics (inquiry made with no reference to Obama by an anti-Obama researcher).
4)Obama could have planned a home trip much earlier and family there claim they were in the hospital room for the birth of Obama.
The first assertion is pure speculation based on no data, the second assertion suggests that you believe non-American sources (no doubt quick to claim Kenya origins out of national pride and an ignorance of the implications for the election) over American sources that are clearly third-party professionals that have nothing to gain by lying (and much to lose). Besides, has anyone independently confirmed the content of the reported interview by noted nutcase liar and anti-semite, Jerome Corsi? Corsi (like Philip Berg) is a 9/11 truther and a completely discredited source.
If Frank Davis is the real father then the whole Kenya trip was all part of the cover for him having a child by her while he was still married.
Speculation based on speculation. Besides - I still don’t see how traveling to Kenya to meet Barack Sr.’s other wife and child would be something that he or Stanley Ann would want. (Did Stanley Ann even know about Barack Sr.’s other family at that point?)
5) You don’t know how early they made the flight to Kenya...it could have been a couple of months prior to the birth.
Speculation. The key is you don’t know that she made the flight AT ALL.
Class years ended in June and he wasn’t born until August.
Probably true that the school year ended in June - but it proves nothing. You still have no evidence that she left the U.S. while pregnant.
As one who lived in Hawai’i in the early and mid 1960s I can confirm what nano said about O’bama’s “birth announcement” in the paper.
Both Honolulu papers, the Star-Bulletin and the Advertiser, published paid vanity birth announcements. So questioning this aspect of the story won’t fly.
BTW when I visited my old public school in Kailua in 2003, they had painted it a few times. Other than that, it hadn’t been improved in almost 40 years. The classroom ceilings were all falling in, and the cafeteria was still a pig sty.
For Obama to have not been born in Honolulu requires a whole series things: 1) it being legal and proper for COLBs to incorrect information (Honolulu birthplace) as fact OR Obama to have forged the document, 2) High-level administrators in Hawaii to publicly lie and risk their careers for the sake of Obama’s cover-up, 3) Vital Statistics to fabricate their report to the Honolulu Advertiser in 1961 OR the Dunhams to inexplicably and mysteriously be allowed insert a personalized report into a section of the paper who’s normal source is Vital Statistics - and while their at it, to make the entry completely consistent in format with the other entries (down to noting the couple as Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama - despite the apparent fact that they didn’t care for their relationship), 4) a very young pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham to travel to Kenya (where is the documentation?? how did she pay for it?) for god knows what purpose (to meet Obama’s other wife and young baby perhaps? - that would go well...), 5) a pregnant woman to be refused passage back to Hawaii - even though she was able to go there shortly before while also pregnant - and even though pregnant women are actually allowed to fly (see also: Sarah Palin). This is the sort of thin gossamer that conspiracy theories are made of.
1) see all the legal reasons a COLB can be altered from the Hawaiian statutes
I saw no mention of being able to change the stated birthplace. Sex yes, parentage yes… birthplace?
2) not lied...carefully parsed wording..they did not say it fully matched for example such as birth name or listed father of the child
It’s still a lie. A lie of omission at the least.
3)The ‘Vital Statistics’ section of the paper was just a heading they used and not an official output from the state government. All entrants were paid vanity announcements from the families that were not verified and only put into a common format. There were many more births than reported in that section , very similar to wedding announcements only were few and far between.
And you know this how? From direct experience which spans the early ‘60s? What you are claiming is in direct conflict with the claims of the paper and with the department of vital statistics (inquiry made with no reference to Obama by an anti-Obama researcher).
4)Obama could have planned a home trip much earlier and family there claim they were in the hospital room for the birth of Obama.
The first assertion is pure speculation based on no data, the second assertion suggests that you believe non-American sources (no doubt quick to claim Kenya origins out of national pride and an ignorance of the implications for the election) over American sources that are clearly third-party professionals that have nothing to gain by lying (and much to lose). Besides, has anyone independently confirmed the content of the reported interview by noted nutcase liar and anti-semite, Jerome Corsi? Corsi (like Philip Berg) is a 9/11 truther and a completely discredited source.
If Frank Davis is the real father then the whole Kenya trip was all part of the cover for him having a child by her while he was still married.
Speculation based on speculation. Besides - I still don’t see how traveling to Kenya to meet Barack Sr.’s other wife and child would be something that he or Stanley Ann would want. (Did Stanley Ann even know about Barack Sr.’s other family at that point?)
5) You don’t know how early they made the flight to Kenya...it could have been a couple of months prior to the birth.
Speculation. The key is you don’t know that she made the flight AT ALL.
Class years ended in June and he wasn’t born until August.
Probably true that the school year ended in June - but it proves nothing. You still have no evidence that she left the U.S. while pregnant.
There are sure a large and growing conglomeration of Dim organs who are deciding to put their WORD on the line instead of simply producing the DOCUMENTATION.
BTW, a pregnant woman can travel via AIR if she has her doctor’s permission, or unless she is too close to DUE TIME, because of hte severe pressure changes related to flying, and yes, airlines DO refuse SOME pregnant women a flight, when they try to travel too close to due time.
Furthermore, the rumors of Obama’s Kenyan birth didn’t start with Republicans, Conservatives, or Christians, but when Jerome Corsi traveled to Kenya to investigate, HE WAS ARRESTED rather than ANSWERED, and then kicked out of Kenya.
If everything is SO IN ORDER, why not blast the idiot Righties with DOCUMENTATION papering half the world?
It would be such a KEEN AND UNIQUE opportunity for DIMS!
Instead, they choose the RATHERGATE route, the Hanoi John and his Purple Hearts, Bill Clinton - who “DID NOT TOUCH ... THAT… WOMAN!” on a live internationally aired LEGAL DEPOSITION before the world LEADERS for a PERSONAL INJURY LAWSUIT.
Your WORD guarantees us, AND THAT SHOULD SETTLE THE MATTER????
You betcha - William Jefferson! Barney Frank! Chris Dodd!
Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy!
As one who lived in Hawai’i in the early and mid 1960s I can confirm what nano said about O’bama’s “birth announcement” in the paper.
Both Honolulu papers, the Star-Bulletin and the Advertiser, published paid vanity birth announcements. So questioning this aspect of the story won’t fly.
Del,
Why exactly would you remember such a seemingly miniscule detail from 45 plus years ago? Did you yourself post such an announcement in Honolulu in that timeframe… or are you simply a savant? Why should I believe your memory more than the statements of the paper itself and Vital Statistics regarding their practices? I won’t convince you - as it conflicts with your memory - fair enough. But, with all due respect, your memory of such a detail over such a period of time won’t convince me when it’s in conflict with more authoritative sources.
Simple question for the O’bama drones here...if John McCain had questions raised about HIS birth certificate, and refused to allow public inspection of said document, would you also give him a pass?
Why exactly would you remember such a seemingly miniscule detail from 45 plus years ago?
The man said he agreed with someone else.
Instead, you are willing to subscribe to the lie that a man says his dog is dead, and you think the authorities should be concerned. Did you bury your dog, you ask? Uh, um, yes, yes I did. Can you point out to authorities where you buried the dog if they come? Um, uh, no I can’t? You can’t or you won’t? Um, 8-years-of . . . Yeah, yeah I know. But what about the ‘dog’? Come to think of it, did you even have a dog? I don’t remember it barking. Um, I, uh, that record’s been sealed. The authorities did it, 8-years-of . . What?
I mean you’re willing to believe a man who not only offers up the excuse - the dog ate my homework - but who would rather say - the dog ate my dog.
BARRRRRY! THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS GETTING HOARSE ASKING THE QUESTION. WHEREZ IT?
Simple question for the O’bama drones here...if John McCain had questions raised about HIS birth certificate, and refused to allow public inspection of said document, would you also give him a pass?
Yeah - I’m curious what the drones think too.
Here’s what I think: John McCain was born out of the states in Panama - but confirms his American parentage in our little exercise with a COLB naming his parents - both of which somehow we already know are citizens. Yes. End of story. (Indeed, since we know that parentage is key to McCain’s claim (whereas in Obama’s claim only place of birth matters) - and we know that parentage can be changed in cases of adoption… we would actually technically have more of an open question with McCain. ...but I’m personally not inclined to chase ghosts.
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BTW, Del,
Maybe you can explain to me what the deal is with the O’bama alteration of Obama’s name? The inference is that he’s part Irish? (which he is, by the way) What exactly is it supposed to say about him?
The bottom line of it all is that a cloud hangs over this whole issue since he has not produce full and unambiguous documentation and a plain jane COLB does not cut it in the face of contrary evidence.
Right now the best speculation is that the breach of the passport file had them worried about something in the file becoming public and the COLB was pushed out as pre emptive damage control and once out could not just be retracted and say never mind.
That may be why the issue of the COLB itself has never been resolved because he might know he can fully prove that when push comes to shove.
The real area where the trouble is the passport. Either a place visited or a time frame of something that could have the dots connected.
Something perhaps from the lost Columbia years that nobody wants to get out.
It is just hard to figure what type of issue about his passport would be impacted by the COLB.
Unless he is listed on the passport as a naturalized citizen.
As one who lived in Hawai’i in the early and mid 1960s I can confirm what nano said about O’bama’s “birth announcement” in the paper.
Both Honolulu papers, the Star-Bulletin and the Advertiser, published paid vanity birth announcements. So questioning this aspect of the story won’t fly.
Del,
Why exactly would you remember such a seemingly miniscule detail from 45 plus years ago? Did you yourself post such an announcement in Honolulu in that timeframe… or are you simply a savant? Why should I believe your memory more than the statements of the paper itself and Vital Statistics regarding their practices? I won’t convince you - as it conflicts with your memory - fair enough. But, with all due respect, your memory of such a detail over such a period of time won’t convince me when it’s in conflict with more authoritative sources.
Your dripping condescension is duly noted, kid.
To answer your question, one of my uncles and his wife were also living in Hawai’i at the time, and when their first-born daughter arrived, they had to go thru the exact same drill to announce it.
Please don’t insult my intelligence.
PS, said Uncle was in Hawai’i at the time as a teacher at Punahou School, the ultra-elite prep school that Barry Hussein later attended. Before wiki scrubbed it to protect O’bama, their entry for Punahou School noted that a regular event during their school year-which was also practiced at all public schools in Hawai’i, including the one I went to-was “Kill Haole Day”, whereby certain students had the Altan beaten out of them on the last day of classes, solely for the “crime” of being WHITE.
Simple question for the O’bama drones here...if John McCain had questions raised about HIS birth certificate, and refused to allow public inspection of said document, would you also give him a pass?
Yeah - I’m curious what the drones think too.
Who knows? But that’s not what happened with Obama. He provided proof, it was confirmed several times and several ways.
You guys just refused to accept the proof because you like to get your news from “alternate reality” sources.
The only lesson to be learned here is the sources who kept pimping this story should not be trusted in the future. Consider it natual selection. Or pruning your information garden.
BTW, Del,
Maybe you can explain to me what the deal is with the O’bama alteration of Obama’s name? The inference is that he’s part Irish? (which he is, by the way) What exactly is it supposed to say about him?
(laughter)
O’bama’s lineage does include County Cork origins, but that’s not the reason. I’ve explained it here on the PL Forums many times in the past few months-I guess you were just too busy to read it.
That’s in honor of Barry’s Hawai’ian heritage. It’s what is known as a “glottal stop”. In the Hawai’ian language, said glottal stop is used as an intentional pause. Which is what you idiots on the Left should have done before blindly endorsing the man-take an intentional pause to examine his total lack of qualifications for the most powerful office on the planet.
So, can you tell me exactly WHAT O’bama has “accomplished” in his life to qualify him to be President? And should you chose to respond, please do not compare him to his opponent, or compare him to the incumbent President. I want to know what his stand-alone qualifications are.
BTW, Del,
Maybe you can explain to me what the deal is with the O’bama alteration of Obama’s name? The inference is that he’s part Irish? (which he is, by the way) What exactly is it supposed to say about him?
(laughter)
O’bama’s lineage does include County Cork origins, but that’s not the reason. I’ve explained it here on the PL Forums many times in the past few months-I guess you were just too busy to read it.
That’s in honor of Barry’s Hawai’ian heritage. It’s what is known as a “glottal stop”. In the Hawai’ian language, said glottal stop is used as an intentional pause. Which is what you idiots on the Left should have done before blindly endorsing the man-take an intentional pause to examine his total lack of qualifications for the most powerful office on the planet.
So, can you tell me exactly WHAT O’bama has “accomplished” in his life to qualify him to be President? And should you chose to respond, please do not compare him to his opponent, or compare him to the incumbent President. I want to know what his stand-alone qualifications are.
