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Posted: 08 June 2008 03:53 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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US soldiers in Baghdad captured an Iraqi arms dealer and “assassination squad” leader responsible for trafficking Shi’ite extremists in and out of neighboring Iran for training, the military said Sunday.

The arrest reinforced long-standing US allegations that Iran arms, trains and funds Shi’ite Muslim militiamen inside Iraq - charges that Teheran denies. It also coincided with a two-day visit to Iran by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, his second such trip in a year.

http://tinyurl.com/4vz7og

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Posted: 08 June 2008 04:08 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 1 ]  
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SusanGo - 08 June 2008 04:01 PM

EMunn - 08 June 2008 03:53 PM
US soldiers in Baghdad captured an Iraqi arms dealer and “assassination squad” leader responsible for trafficking Shi’ite extremists in and out of neighboring Iran for training, the military said Sunday.

http://tinyurl.com/4vz7og

That is great news! Too bad he was captured though. It is much less trouble to just kill them.

The arrest reinforced long-standing US allegations that Iran arms, trains and funds Shi’ite Muslim militiamen inside Iraq - charges that Teheran denies.

Gee, you have to be kidding me. Well, don’t worry, the messiah is going to talk with Iran and all will be well.

He needs to be brought to Cuba so he can meet with a bucket and a board. That should be televised so we can all get the info at the same time.

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Posted: 08 June 2008 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 2 ]  
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wrapper - 08 June 2008 04:31 PM

from the link:

“US soldiers in Baghdad captured an Iraqi arms dealer and “assassination squad” leader responsible for trafficking Shi’ite extremists in and out of neighboring Iran for training, the military said Sunday.”

That’s some pretty vague sourcing.  Reading something like that in The Jerusalem Post makes one wonder.  Don’t it?

One blog that ran this JP story said that they got the story from AP.

 
 
Posted: 08 June 2008 09:11 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 3 ]  
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Coalition Forces in Iraq Round Up Iran-Backed Enemy Fighters
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 5, 2008 – Coalition forces in Iraq captured an alleged leader and a suspected primary weapons smuggler and financier for Iranian-backed enemy fighters today.

Acting on intelligence information, coalition forces conducted a raid on the home of the suspected “special groups” leader in Mahawil, south of Baghdad. He surrendered without incident.

In a separate operation east of Kut, intelligence tips helped coalition forces track down the hideout of a suspected special groups member who sources allege is the primary weapons smuggler and financier for Iranian-backed enemy elements in that area. The suspect and an associate surrendered when coalition forces stormed their location.

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Posted: 08 June 2008 10:10 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 4 ]  
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SusanGo - 08 June 2008 07:07 PM

Del Dolemonte - 08 June 2008 06:37 PM
wrapper - 08 June 2008 04:31 PM
from the link:

“US soldiers in Baghdad captured an Iraqi arms dealer and “assassination squad” leader responsible for trafficking Shi’ite extremists in and out of neighboring Iran for training, the military said Sunday.”

That’s some pretty vague sourcing.  Reading something like that in The Jerusalem Post makes one wonder.  Don’t it?

One blog that ran this JP story said that they got the story from AP.

Del - I wouldn’t matter to him if obama shouted it from a mountain. This would be the only time that wrapper didn’t believe something that his messiah said. Don’t you realize that the JP is always suspect because they are Jews. And let’s face it, the Jews always lie and kill and main and are terrorists according to the likes of wrapper.

Edited to add: wrapper and his kind think that iran and their government are the good guys in this war.

I started to notice the anti-Israel sentiments expressed by the Left about 10 years ago, in the old Usenet days. It’s gotten much worse since then. It’s mostly the college kids, who are no doubt taught this rubbish by their 1960s burnout professors.

What’s scariest about the whole thing is that they call those who disagree with them “Nazis”.

 
 
Posted: 09 June 2008 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 5 ]  
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vladimir estragon - 09 June 2008 11:27 AM

What’s the best course of action for the U.S. to take against Iraqi groups who receive support from Iran?

I give up. Tell us.

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Posted: 09 June 2008 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 6 ]  
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vladimir estragon - 09 June 2008 11:27 AM

What’s the best course of action for the U.S. to take against Iraqi groups who receive support from Iran?

Bring the troops home and let them have Iraq?

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Posted: 09 June 2008 12:53 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 7 ]  
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classic vlad snark. In other words Vlad doesn’t have an answer either.

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Posted: 09 June 2008 02:03 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 8 ]  
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vladimir estragon - 09 June 2008 12:47 PM

It’s a legitimate question, not sarcastic, not snarky. Iron Dio Priest and judcar can’t answer it, but that’s not a surprise, is it?

Oh, I can answer it. I thought you were looking for a specific “correct” answer.

“What’s the best course of action for the U.S. to take against Iraqi groups who receive support from Iran?”

Kill them, until they stop receiving support from Iran.

Now, would you like to know what to do to the Iranians who are sending the support to Iraqi groups who then kill American troops? Treat them to the boot-heel.

Meet evil with strength Vladdy. It’s a simple equation that too many Americans have forgotten.

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Posted: 09 June 2008 03:27 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 9 ]  
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vladimir estragon - 09 June 2008 02:07 PM

“What’s the best course of action for the U.S. to take against Iraqi groups who receive support from Iran?”

Kill them, until they stop receiving support from Iran.

Thank you for the straight-up answer. Do you know which political organizations in Iraq receive the most support from Iran?

Condi Rice

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Posted: 09 June 2008 04:22 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 10 ]

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clever, very clever. The wording Vlad used is interesting. I’m sure Vlad will tell us that Maliki’s political party recieves the most aid from Iran. Its possible but I’d like some citations.

What should we do about the groups that are using Iranian support to kill American and Iraqi forces in Iraq? That’s the question I thought he was answering

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Posted: 09 June 2008 04:51 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 11 ]

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skipsailing - 09 June 2008 04:22 PM

clever, very clever. The wording Vlad used is interesting. I’m sure Vlad will tell us that Maliki’s political party recieves the most aid from Iran. Its possible but I’d like some citations.

What should we do about the groups that are using Iranian support to kill American and Iraqi forces in Iraq? That’s the question I thought he was answering

Nah.  He just got tired of being laughed at with his silly question about bringing the troops home.  He is just throwing out nonsense questions as part of his full-employment program for conservative posters.

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Posted: 09 June 2008 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 12 ]

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vladimir estragon - 09 June 2008 04:54 PM

He is just throwing out nonsense questions as part of his full-employment program for conservative posters.

Thanks again, judcar, but we already know that you don’t understand the question, let alone have an answer.

The folks who are so up in arms about Iranian support for Iraqi organizations really ought to have a clue about which organizations are getting that support. At a minimum. It is most definitely not a “nonsense” question.

You think it so important that people know the answer, but since you didn’t provide the answer, only a question, I assume you didn’t know the answer either.  If you didn’t know the answer, does that mean you are not “up in arms about Iranian support”, since apparently it’s okay for people not “up in arms” to be clueless, like yourself?

BTW, I knew the answer, but also knew that if I gave it to you, you’d still be clueless.

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Posted: 09 June 2008 09:38 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 13 ]  
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judcar - 09 June 2008 05:56 PM

vladimir estragon - 09 June 2008 04:54 PM
He is just throwing out nonsense questions as part of his full-employment program for conservative posters.

Thanks again, judcar, but we already know that you don’t understand the question, let alone have an answer.

The folks who are so up in arms about Iranian support for Iraqi organizations really ought to have a clue about which organizations are getting that support. At a minimum. It is most definitely not a “nonsense” question.

You think it so important that people know the answer, but since you didn’t provide the answer, only a question, I assume you didn’t know the answer either.  If you didn’t know the answer, does that mean you are not “up in arms about Iranian support”, since apparently it’s okay for people not “up in arms” to be clueless, like yourself?

BTW, I knew the answer, but also knew that if I gave it to you, you’d still be clueless.

Please give me a clue I could use it.

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Posted: 14 June 2008 07:47 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 14 ]  
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Here is some actual good news from Iraq.  They may ask us to leave. How quick could we comply?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/41047.html

Maliki raises possibility that Iraq might ask U.S. to leave
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By Leila Fadel and Mike Tharp | McClatchy Newspaper

BAGHDAD — Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki raised the possibility that his country won’t sign a status of forces agreement with the United States and will ask U.S. troops to go home when their U.N. mandate to be in Iraq expires at the end of the year.

Maliki made the comment after weeks of complaints from Shiite Muslim lawmakers that U.S. proposals that would govern a continued troop presence in Iraq would infringe on Iraq’s sovereignty.

“Iraq has another option that it may use,” Maliki said during a visit to Amman, Jordan. “The Iraqi government, if it wants, has the right to demand that the U.N. terminate the presence of international forces on Iraqi sovereign soil.”

Earlier, Maliki acknowledged that talks with the U.S. on a status of forces agreement “reached an impasse” after the American negotiators presented a draft that would have given the U.S. access to 58 military bases, control of Iraqi airspace and immunity from prosecution for both U.S. soldiers and private contractors.

The Iraqis rejected those demands, and U.S. diplomats have submitted a second draft, which Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih told McClatchy included several major concessions. Among those would be allowing Iraq to prosecute private contractors for violations of Iraqi law and requiring U.S. forces to turn over to Iraqi authorities Iraqis that the Americans detain.

Salih stressed that the Iraqi government wants to reach an agreement with the United States. But he said the Iraqi government wouldn’t be pressured into accepting terms that compromised Iraq’s rights as a sovereign state.

“Our American allies need to understand and realize that this agreement must be respectful of Iraqi sovereignty,” Salih said. “We need them here for a while longer, and they know they have to remain here for a while.”

American negotiators have hoped the talks would be finished by the end of July, but Maliki’s latest remarks — as well as those by influential members of parliament — make that deadline seem unrealistic.

“When we got to demands made by the American side we found that they greatly infringe on the sovereignty of Iraq and this is something we can ever accept,” Maliki said. “We reached a clear disagreement. But I can assure you that all Iraqis would reject an agreement that violates Iraqi sovereignty in any way.”

Maliki indicated that officials on both sides were looking for an agreement.

“Negotiations will continue,” Maliki said, “by adding new ideas from Plans A, then B, then C, until we reach the decision that ensures the sovereignty of Iraq.”

In Baghdad, U.S. Embassy spokesman Armand Cucciniello said Maliki “was referring to the first draft” of the agreement and that negotiations would continue “based on the fundamental principle of Iraqi sovereignty. We are looking forward to a successful conclusion of the negotiations.”

Some Iraqi officials, however, said they’re concerned that Maliki has become overconfident of his military’s ability to defend his government and might believe Iraqi forces alone can maintain security here without the help of U.S. troops.

Maliki’s confidence in the security forces’ abilities are fed, these officials say by the Iraqi security forces’ recent successes in Basra, Mosul and Baghdad’s Sadr City area, where Iraqi troops have disarmed rival Sunni and Shiite forces and brought relative calm to once troubled areas.

But many here belive that U.S. backing was critical to those successes.

“I don’t know how much of this is posturing in the negotiations,” said one senior government official, who asked not to be identified because he did not want to be seen as undercutting Maliki’s position. “If tomorrow the Americans decide to leave, I want to caution against overconfidence. It’s still very precarious and we don’t have the capabilities yet to fend for ourselves.”

Maliki also said that any agreement for a continued U.S. presence here would be voted on by Iraq’s parliament, a statement that also makes it unlikely that an agreement will be reached without considerable give by the Americans.

The status of forces agreement was the backdrop as well for an announcement by rebel Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al Sadr that he had created a special branch of his militia that would be allowed to carry weapons and attack American troops.

The remainder of his 60,000-strong Mahdi Army militia is expected to lay down its weapons. The announcement comes two months before a ceasefire that has been in effect for 10 months ends.

Sadr has been struggling for the past year to remain at the head of a militant anti-American movement and at the same time remain part of Iraq’s political process. In August he ordered his followers to observe a ceasefire that has largely held despite complaints from his followers that they are being attacked and arrested by government-allied forces.

Mahdi Army militiamen were the principal targets of Maliki’s recent military offensives in Basra and Sadr City and another offensive reportedly is being prepared for Amara, a Sadr stronghold in southern Iraq.

The creation of a separate wing authorized to attack U.S. forces may be intended to streamline the Mahdi Army and allow Sadr to maintain the ability to undertake military actions even as he accedes to government demands that most of his followers disarm.

Militants authorized to carry weapons “will direct them toward the occupier only. In fact, all other attacks will be prohibited,” Sadr’s statement said.

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Posted: 14 June 2008 09:57 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 15 ]  
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Maliki is probably just posturing and preparing for elctions in October.  Standing up to the Americans on SOFA undermines Al-Sadr’s and other’s appeal.  He has now taken on the Iranian backed Shiia in Basra, the Sadr backers in Baghdad, and Al-Qaeda in Mosul. Showing strength against the US in negotiations was probably predictable. And this is a good thing: Iraqi leaders and people acting like a sovereign nation with a credible military and national pride.

In the end, they will probably end up with a 1 year extension of the UN authorization or a comparable short-term SOFA.

Patreaus is suppose the brief next month I think.  I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him recommend a bigger drawdown than expected, considering the strides the government and military are making.

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