Went ahead and took the brown acid anyhow, went back home to the hills, and no one knew what the **** was wrong with him. After a lengthy stay in the pokey fer makin’ corn likker, he was accepted back into the hill community where he married and settled down.
Leave it to the left to embrace a young man who admitted struggling with high school subjects as their fountain of wisdom on the legality of war.
The only “epiphany” this young soldier had was one of mortality that had nothing to do whatsoever with justice or law. The only socially acceptable way of hiding that glowing yellow streak appearing on his back is to cover it with the ready made liberal blanket of “illegality”.
It also gives the population of old, brain-damaged hippies stuck in the 60’s an LSD flashback to those heady days of drugs, sex, protests, drugs, peace, drugs and drugs. For many of them, they are showing the first signs of lucidity in over 40 years, albeit signs mired in a time 40 years past.
Went ahead and took the brown acid anyhow, went back home to the hills, and no one knew what the **** was wrong with him. After a lengthy stay in the pokey fer makin’ corn likker, he was accepted back into the hill community where he married and settled down.
This is a soldier who has changed his mind. How does the military deal with people who change their minds?
His claim of illegality is as legitimate as any other “claim”. No proof. No case. Just his opinion.
Interesting that you bring up claim of illegality. No proof, No Case. Just opinions.
Reminds me a great deal of the ongoing war with other people where the US Army Field manual gives examples of what torture is and why it has been BANNED by the US Army and is illegal, all so two court cases, regarding same Supreme Court ruled both times against the current adm.
YET; many poster on this forum scream bloody murder that torture is legal and we ought to do lots more of it, despite the fact that torture can be classed as a war crime, despite the fact that you claim that you were only following orders does not get you half way to first base and you will, if you torture and are caught, tried and convicted suffer the penalities, despite your opinon, which when its against the law is given zero weight as far as the crime itself is concerned.
It could make some difference in the sentencing and might or might not save your life, if the crime was serious enough. Ignorance of the law is never a defense, never.
Nor is I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS. It did not work in the war crime trials in Germany and if war crime trials occour because of the treatment of detainees at GITMO and other places, it will not work either, when some of these current grand and greats leave office, they may have thought that their immunity would go with them. It does not.
I think that the treatment of the returning vets is bordering on criminal and the nation ought to hang their heads in shame for the shabby manner Vets are treated when the are discharged.
The head of the VA, on the discovery that some 12,000 vets per year are attempted sucides and his e-mail to those concerned started with the subject shown as SHHHH. And made all manner of attempts to cover up the report and his e-mail, and kept his job.
So if this young man is treated with contempt, which it is likely, what is the treatment that the head of the Va deserving of?
Leave it to the left to embrace a young man who admitted struggling with high school subjects as their fountain of wisdom on the legality of war.
The only “epiphany” this young soldier had was one of mortality that had nothing to do whatsoever with justice or law. The only socially acceptable way of hiding that glowing yellow streak appearing on his back is to cover it with the ready made liberal blanket of “illegality”.
It also gives the population of old, brain-damaged hippies stuck in the 60’s an LSD flashback to those heady days of drugs, sex, protests, drugs, peace, drugs and drugs. For many of them, they are showing the first signs of lucidity in over 40 years, albeit signs mired in a time 40 years past.[/quote
Now I am going to make a wild guess, your all for torture, so lets save some time.
Page 233 of 384 starts the rules, regs, allowables, non allowables in the UNITED STATES USARMY FIELD MANUAL, IT DOES NOT IN ANY SHAPE FORM OR FASHON CONDONE TORTURE, SUCH AS WATER BOARDING AND EVERY THING IS AT THE LEAST UP TO THE G. CONVENTIONS. THOSE ARE FACTS.
IF YOUR A MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES, YOU WILL OBEY THOSE RULES OR YOU, IF CAUGHT WILL BE COURT MARTIALED.
LT. CALLEY IN VIET NAM, was court martialed for war crimes, his sentence was reduced from life imprisonment to ten years, however, he was released after serving some 4 years.
so let be perfectly clear. TORTURE IS NOT LEGAL, IT IS A WAR CRIME.
Despite the fact that proof in FAVOR OF TORTURE is not only lacking there is not a single example in law where torture has been approved. World net Daily, Joe Faraha is not the govt., nor the courts, nor the senate, nor the house and his opinon and a war crime, if your are in the military could get your butt sent to jail for the rest of your natural life, with all benfits, pay etc. gonzo. now if you really want to take the shot, be my guest.
remember, not one of the meatheads that scream torture is legal has submitted one example, so if your determined to joing the ranks of fools, be my guest. bye for now.
Now if you think I do not have my info correct, go to google, type in US ARMY FIELD MANUAL, ITS PDF, 384 PAGES AND TORTURE AND THE G. CONVENTATION STARTS ON PAGE 233.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
And do try to not be a bigger fool with your remarks that you can avoid.
By disproving, he’d have to impeach the authority of every legislator who signed these documents into public law. I imagine it would be like telling a cop that you shouldn’t get a speeding ticket for doing 90 in a 55 zone. Since your speedometer goes to 160 mph the 55 mph speed limit is an “illegal” restriction on your 1st amendment freedoms.
Yeah, I’m sure law enforcement laugh about that excuse.
This is a soldier who has changed his mind. How does the military deal with people who change their minds?
His claim of illegality is as legitimate as any other “claim”. No proof. No case. Just his opinion.
Interesting that you bring up claim of illegality. No proof, No Case. Just opinions.
Reminds me a great deal of the ongoing war with other people where the US Army Field manual gives examples of what torture is and why it has been BANNED by the US Army and is illegal, all so two court cases, regarding same Supreme Court ruled both times against the current adm.
YET; many poster on this forum scream bloody murder that torture is legal and we ought to do lots more of it, despite the fact that torture can be classed as a war crime, despite the fact that you claim that you were only following orders does not get you half way to first base and you will, if you torture and are caught, tried and convicted suffer the penalities, despite your opinon, which when its against the law is given zero weight as far as the crime itself is concerned.
It could make some difference in the sentencing and might or might not save your life, if the crime was serious enough. Ignorance of the law is never a defense, never.
Nor is I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS. It did not work in the war crime trials in Germany and if war crime trials occour because of the treatment of detainees at GITMO and other places, it will not work either, when some of these current grand and greats leave office, they may have thought that their immunity would go with them. It does not.
I think that the treatment of the returning vets is bordering on criminal and the nation ought to hang their heads in shame for the shabby manner Vets are treated when the are discharged.
The head of the VA, on the discovery that some 12,000 vets per year are attempted sucides and his e-mail to those concerned started with the subject shown as SHHHH. And made all manner of attempts to cover up the report and his e-mail, and kept his job.
So if this young man is treated with contempt, which it is likely, what is the treatment that the head of the Va deserving of?
You can’t support the claim of the war’s “illegality”, so you switch to another claim, “torture”?
It’s like the “impeachment” of Bush, wishful thinking. You can believe it but you must prove it within our system (not just in your own mind).
This is a soldier who has changed his mind. How does the military deal with people who change their minds?
His claim of illegality is as legitimate as any other “claim”. No proof. No case. Just his opinion.
Interesting that you bring up claim of illegality. No proof, No Case. Just opinions.
Reminds me a great deal of the ongoing war with other people where the US Army Field manual gives examples of what torture is and why it has been BANNED by the US Army and is illegal, all so two court cases, regarding same Supreme Court ruled both times against the current adm.
YET; many poster on this forum scream bloody murder that torture is legal and we ought to do lots more of it, despite the fact that torture can be classed as a war crime, despite the fact that you claim that you were only following orders does not get you half way to first base and you will, if you torture and are caught, tried and convicted suffer the penalities, despite your opinon, which when its against the law is given zero weight as far as the crime itself is concerned.
It could make some difference in the sentencing and might or might not save your life, if the crime was serious enough. Ignorance of the law is never a defense, never.
Nor is I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS. It did not work in the war crime trials in Germany and if war crime trials occour because of the treatment of detainees at GITMO and other places, it will not work either, when some of these current grand and greats leave office, they may have thought that their immunity would go with them. It does not.
I think that the treatment of the returning vets is bordering on criminal and the nation ought to hang their heads in shame for the shabby manner Vets are treated when the are discharged.
The head of the VA, on the discovery that some 12,000 vets per year are attempted sucides and his e-mail to those concerned started with the subject shown as SHHHH. And made all manner of attempts to cover up the report and his e-mail, and kept his job.
So if this young man is treated with contempt, which it is likely, what is the treatment that the head of the Va deserving of?
You can’t support the claim of the war’s “illegality”, so you switch to another claim, “torture”? NO, I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. No where ever in any post have I made that assertation.
It’s like the “impeachment” of Bush, wishful thinking. You can believe it but you must prove it within our system (not just in your own mind).
While impeachment of bush would be a grand thing indeed and well deseved, sad to say, it will not happen.
Is the war legal? I have never made a claim that it is illegal.
I do stand by the firmly by the fact that torture is illegal and no person has yet posted on court ruling by the supreme court of the usa that is an approved method of obtaining info. from people.
In Texas, while Bush was gov. of the state, a sherrif was sent to jail for 10 years and his deputies went to jail of 4 years for using water torture, 1983.
I would not bet the ranch in Texas that he is not a war criminal, nor would I bet that there are not moves afoot to have him tried in a court of law for war crimes. Once you leave the Govt. Office?
You all so leave your inmunity behind.
Do you think that you are really aware how for some of this garbage done in the time of “the war on terror” FISA etc. and just how deep the rabbit hole goes? Few people do.
What would you say if I told you that you could be picked up because some one told someone that you are planning great harm to something someplace somewhere, some time, with no proof what so ever? You are declared an enemy combatant and then:
The come, arrest you, put you in a Military Brig, declare you an enemy combatant and hold you till you die, confess, and your never even charged and the military Brig is in the USA? And they would or could tell you that you don’t need no stinking lawyer and there is pretty much not one dam thing you can do about it. and its a years long process, you might want out of jail and they do not care. They go home every night and you rot in jail.
Would you beleive that could and has happened under the FISA act?
As long as the FISA act is law and the terms are not rescinded to comply with the constitution of the USA, that prisoner is not safe, and neither is any one else.
And I bet your not aware of the case.
Does any clear thinking person really think its a good idea to have some one like HRC or Obama or McCain with that kind of power?
In effect it makes them a Dictator, not President of the USA.
