there are two choices citizens have in dealing with a government that does not represent the interest of the people.
There’s a third choice, a much easier one. Since you hate America so much, why don’t you move to Saudi Arabia, or Burma, where the people in charge think more like you?
How far are you willing to go Vlad? If America became a communist state like Red China, would you capitulate, or fight?
Uhh… maybe that was the wrong question to ask.
If America became a fascist state like Nazi Germany, would you capitulate, or fight? What cost in blood would you be willing to pay to save your nation and its people from its own malevolent government? Is there any cost in blood that you would pay? Or are you fearful enough to just live out your days under whatever form of government and whatever regime the power elite decide is right for everyone, oblivious to the fact that the majority of your countrymen believe that government stopped serving the interest of the people years ago? Where is your breaking point?
Hey, I asked you first. The chances of us becoming a communist or fascist totalitarian state are less than zero. You’re the one saying the time is approaching when we have to take up guns and start killing our fellow Americans. I’m just suggesting that if you hate our constitution so badly, it would be easier to just move, like a Jew emigrating from Germany in 1938. Why don’t you just go?
Hey, I asked you first. The chances of us becoming a communist or fascist totalitarian state are less than zero.
Ja think? Remember when your hero FDR was confiscating property, nationalizing industry, attempting to pack the Supreme Court to achieve a massive increase in federal power - -not to mention imprisoning all those inconvenient Japanese Americans? That was pretty damn close wouldn’t you agree? Or are you going to apologize for FDR because it fits your worldview? What exactly would you call what FDR did if not some flavor of fascism/totalitarianism? So it can happen here and as a matter of fact it pretty much already has in the past 7o years. What FDR did was worse than anything the shrub has even ATTEMPTED to do by orders of magnitude. But you on the left are the first to scream fascism at the drop of a hat.
Well how exactly would you characterize it then? Your opinions on FDR would be most welcome. And by the way—I never said you did call Bush a fascist - -but I bet it wouldn’t take that much to find some of your hyperventilating where you came pretty close.
Hey, I asked you first. The chances of us becoming a communist or fascist totalitarian state are less than zero.
On the other hand, I see the Socialist writing on the wall.
You’re the one saying the time is approaching when we have to take up guns and start killing our fellow Americans.
Did I say that? Hmmm… I thought I was asking where the breaking point would be, or if there would even be one, when Americans would refuse to accept what the government is handing out any longer. The logic does follow, that corrupt governments that do not serve the interest of the people are historically forceably removed by bloodshed, but I don’t believe I advocated that for America now.
I’m just suggesting that if you hate our constitution so badly, it would be easier to just move, like a Jew emigrating from Germany in 1938.
First of all, I love the Constitution; I just hate it when it gets perverted. Second, I don’t always seek the path of least resistance Vladdy. When it makes sense, of course. But I do not believe that abandoning one’s nation to the whims of powermad children in suits and skirts is one of those times when we ought to just “go along”, or shrug our shoulders and say, “Oh well, guess I’ll leave my country now.”
Why don’t you just go?
If it comes right down to it, I’d rather stand and fight.
"Did I say that?” All wide-eyed and innocent like.
Question is, do we sit idly by and take it? Or, do we wrest control of this government from the people who currently hold power, by whatever means necessary? Those are the only two choices. They have broken the political process, so that avenue is no longer valid.
The framers placed in the constitution a safeguard against just such a government as we now are subject to. It is called the Second Amendment. Will Americans see the gravity of the situation, and rightly organize to use this God-given right to be free from tyranny? Or will we follow like sheep into the Socialist abyss that is quickly opening up before us?
I’m sure you didn’t really intend to invoke Malcolm X.
Anyway, it would have been much better if Tim McVeigh had simply left the country, and most of us would be happy if you did, too.
It’s fun to read the title of a thread and skip immediately to the last page of discussion. Here it looks like we’re choosing sides in the great struggle of our time; the Polar Bear Wars of 2008. I, for one, will side with whomever trains the most Polar Bear Cavalry because riflemen riding in on the backs of Polar Bears are awesome.
It’s fun to read the title of a thread and skip immediately to the last page of discussion. Here it looks like we’re choosing sides in the great struggle of our time; the Polar Bear Wars of 2008. I, for one, will side with whomever trains the most Polar Bear Cavalry because riflemen riding in on the backs of Polar Bears are awesome.
I can guess where it fell apart but it’s more fun to imagine that IDP wants to lead a desperate Polar Bear Cavalry charge against the amassed New American Red Army.
I can guess where it fell apart but it’s more fun to imagine that IDP wants to lead a desperate Polar Bear Cavalry charge against the amassed New American Red Army.
I bet it wouldn’t take that much to find some of your hyperventilating where you came pretty close.
Fine. Do me a favor and go off and look, and send me a postcard when you find something.
Ok I concede you might be right - -this site seems to have gotten very slow in my absence and waiting for 10 second page loads is not my forte—hello sysadmin, anybody out there. I did however find this gem:
vladimir estragon - 20 February 2007 06:12 PM
It’s true: calling people fascists is pretty silly and pointless. I’ll lump it in with the folks here who are still ranting about the threat from the communists. (All of the communists in the country meet for coffee at the Berkeley McDonalds every Saturday morning. Both of them.)
I do have to say, after seeing the number of people here who seem be believe quite sincerely that opposition to the war is support for the terrorists, that that attitude is veering dangerously close to fascism.
I prefer to think that you appreciate the irony in your post and that is why you posted it. On the other hand the lefties I work with— very intelligent people in all respects non-political—drop the f-bomb at the drop of the hat—so I guess that makes them makes them silly and pointless. And since you seem to concur in a lot of what they say that makes you guilty by association. ... And by the way, what about FDR?
Hey, I asked you first. The chances of us becoming a communist or fascist totalitarian state are less than zero. You’re the one saying the time is approaching when we have to take up guns and start killing our fellow Americans. I’m just suggesting that if you hate our constitution so badly, it would be easier to just move, like a Jew emigrating from Germany in 1938. Why don’t you just go?
It never ceases to amaze me how folk who have spent decades perverting the Constitution past the point the founders would recognize it, when they reach the point where they like the perversions, want everyone else trying to repair it to leave.
