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Newsmax got it right regarding Dirksen’s Civil Rights credentials:

Everett M. Dirksen
The Civil Rights Bill
June 10, 1964
(In the Senate)

Mr. President, it is a year ago this month that the late President Kennedy sent his civil rights bill and message to the Congress. For two years, we had been chiding him about failure to act in this field. At long last, and after many conferences, it became a reality.

After nine days of hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee, it was referred to a subcommittee. There it languished and the administration leadership finally decided to await the House bill. 

In the House it traveled an equally tortuous road. But at long last, it reached the House floor for action. It was debated for 64 hours; 155 amendments were offered; 34 were approved. On February 10, 1964, it passed the House by a vote of 290 to 130. That was a 65-percent vote. 

It was messaged to the Senate on February 17 and reached the Senate calendar on February 26. The motion to take up and consider was made on March 9. That motion was debated for sixteen days and on March 26 by a vote of 67 to 17 it was adopted. 

It is now 4 months since it passed the House. It is 3½ months since it came to the Senate calendar. Three months have gone by since the motion to consider was made. We have acted on one intervening motion to send the bill back to the Judiciary Committee and a vote on the jury trial amendment. That has been the extent of our action. 

Sharp opinions have developed. Incredible allegations have been made. Extreme views have been asserted. The mail volume has been heavy. The bill has provoked many long-distance telephone calls, many of them late at night or in the small hours of the morning. There has been unrestrained criticism about motives. Thousands of people have come to the Capitol to urge immediate action on an unchanged House bill. 

For myself, I have had but one purpose and that was the enactment of a good, workable, equitable, practical bill having due regard for the progress made in the civil rights field at the state and local level. 

I am no Johnnie-come-lately in this field. Thirty years ago, in the House of Representatives, I voted on anti-poll tax and anti- lynching measures. Since then, I have sponsored or cosponsored scores of bills dealing with civil rights.
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Link: http://www.congresslink.org/civil/cr22.html

No not really.

Goldwater supported the Arizona NAACP and was involved in desegregating the Arizona National Guard. Nationally, he supported the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and the constitutional amendment banning the poll tax. However, he opposed the much more comprehensive Civil Rights Act of 1964. While he did indeed support the civil rights cause in general, he believed that this act unconstitutionally extended the federal government’s commerce power to private citizens in its drive to “legislate morality” and restrict the rights of employers. Since Dixiecrats were the main opponents to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and previous civil rights legislation, Goldwater’s opposition to the 1964 Act, in which he was joined by only four other non-Southern Republican senators, strongly boosted Goldwater’s standing among white Southerners who opposed such federal legislation.

vladimir estragon - 13 May 2008 06:09 PM

I just love how testy you libs get when someone proves how full of sh@t you are.
You have to look for something to save face.

Who you calling testy, podna? I’m just a laid-back hippy who gets his cheap thrills from slapping down semi-literate rednecks.

Before or After you stopped running away?

wrapper - 13 May 2008 10:24 PM

Gee, I’d love to read more of that.  How about a link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

Again.  Who was them conservative champions for civil rights?

Who was them liberal champions to end the slavery issue wrapper since I can’t recall any?

There were GOP Senators supporting those Civil Rights laws that were passed in the 1960’s.

Ralph E. - 13 May 2008 10:38 PM

Again.  Who was them conservative champions for civil rights?

Who was them liberal champions to end the slavery issue wrapper since I can’t recall any?

There were GOP Senators supporting those Civil Rights laws that were passed in the 1960’s.

wraptard really CAN’T recall any, can he?

Every American who opposed slavery in the century before last was opposed to the status quo.  That made them progressive.  Every American who supported the status quo of slavery the century before last was conservative.  Right?

Are you trying to rewrite history wraptard?  Every American that wanted the status quo was a liberal.  Every American opposed to slavery was a conservative.  The conservatives realized that you couldn’t have one part of the country having slaves while the other part prohibited it.  The pro slavery crowd wanted to leave the union, which was the liberal position.  The conservative position was to keep the country together.

Ralph E. - 13 May 2008 11:25 PM

Every American who opposed slavery in the century before last was opposed to the status quo.  That made them progressive.  Every American who supported the status quo of slavery the century before last was conservative.  Right?

Are you trying to rewrite history wraptard?  Every American that wanted the status quo was a liberal.  Every American opposed to slavery was a conservative.  The conservatives realized that you couldn’t have one part of the country having slaves while the other part prohibited it.  The pro slavery crowd wanted to leave the union, which was the liberal position.  The conservative position was to keep the country together.

wraptard pwned!

again

Just for wrapper:
http://stoprepublicans.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, May 30, 2006
The History of Republican Evil

The Republican Party was formed in 1854 specifically to oppose the Democrats, and for more than 150 years, they have done everything they could to block the Democrat agenda. In their abuses of power, they have even used threats and military violence to thwart the Democrat Party’s attempts to make this a progressive country. As you read the following Republican atrocities that span three centuries, imagine if you will, what a far different nation the United States would be had not the Republicans been around to block the Democrats’ efforts.

March 20, 1854
Opponents of Democrats’ pro-slavery policies meet in Ripon, Wisconsin to establish the Republican Party

May 30, 1854
Democrat President Franklin Pierce signs Democrats’ Kansas-Nebraska Act, expanding slavery into U.S. territories; opponents unite to form the Republican Party

June 16, 1854
Newspaper editor Horace Greeley calls on opponents of slavery to unite in the Republican Party

July 6, 1854
First state Republican Party officially organized in Jackson, Michigan, to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

February 11, 1856
Republican Montgomery Blair argues before U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of his client, the slave Dred Scott; later served in President Lincoln’s Cabinet

February 22, 1856
First national meeting of the Republican Party, in Pittsburgh, to coordinate opposition to Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

March 27, 1856
First meeting of Republican National Committee in Washington, DC to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

May 22, 1856
For denouncing Democrats’ pro-slavery policy, Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) is beaten nearly to death on floor of Senate by U.S. Rep. Preston Brooks (D-SC), takes three years to recover

March 6, 1857
Republican Supreme Court Justice John McLean issues strenuous dissent from decision by 7 Democrats in infamous Dred Scott case that African-Americans had no rights “which any white man was bound to respect”

June 26, 1857
Abraham Lincoln declares Republican position that slavery is “cruelly wrong,” while Democrats “cultivate and excite hatred” for blacks

October 13, 1858
During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee

October 25, 1858
U.S. Senator William Seward (R-NY) describes Democratic Party as “inextricably committed to the designs of the slaveholders”; as President Abraham Lincoln’s Secretary of State, helped draft Emancipation Proclamation

June 4, 1860
Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) delivers his classic address, The Barbarism of Slavery

April 16, 1862
President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no

July 2, 1862
U.S. Rep. Justin Morrill (R-VT) wins passage of Land Grant Act, establishing colleges open to African-Americans, including such students as George Washington Carver

July 17, 1862
Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”

August 19, 1862
Republican newspaper editor Horace Greeley writes Prayer of Twenty Millions, calling on President Lincoln to declare emancipation

August 25, 1862
President Abraham Lincoln authorizes enlistment of African-American soldiers in U.S. Army

September 22, 1862
Republican President Abraham Lincoln issues Emancipation Proclamation

January 1, 1863
Emancipation Proclamation, implementing the Republicans’ Confiscation Act of 1862, takes effect

February 9, 1864
Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton deliver over 100,000 signatures to U.S. Senate supporting Republicans’ plans for constitutional amendment to ban slavery

June 15, 1864
Republican Congress votes equal pay for African-American troops serving in U.S. Army during Civil War

June 28, 1864
Republican majority in Congress repeals Fugitive Slave Acts

October 29, 1864
African-American abolitionist Sojourner Truth says of President Lincoln: “I never was treated by anyone with more kindness and cordiality than were shown to me by that great and good man”

January 31, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition

March 3, 1865
Republican Congress establishes Freedmen’s Bureau to provide health care, education, and technical assistance to emancipated slaves

April 8, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition

June 19, 1865
On “Juneteenth,” U.S. troops land in Galveston, TX to enforce ban on slavery that had been declared more than two years before by the Emancipation Proclamation

While researching Juneteenth, I found almost no mention of the troops under Union general Gordon Granger, who were sent to Galveston to ENFORCE the ban on slavery. History revisionists would have you believe that General Granger was a glorified messenger boy. But he was the Union general put in charge of Texas. When he read the Emancipation Proclamation in Galveston, he was also reading the riot act, and he rode ahead of enough troops to put down any resistance. The Emancipation Proclamation had gone into effect two-and-a -half years earlier and the Civil War had been over for two months. It is absolutely unbelievable that Texas slaveholders—or Texas slaves—would have been totally ignorant of this. I mean, Texas isn’t the name of another planet. They had telegraphs and newspapers and word of mouth. They didn’t need a Union general to inform them of world events. A messenger who was sent to Texas to inform people of emancipation was killed. It is thought the plantation owners wanted their slaves for one more harvest.Astoundingly, the Democrats seem to have hijacked this day as their own. What follows is a statement that was posted on a Juneteenth Web site a few years ago.

Washington, D.C. - Democratic National Committee (DNC)Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued the following statement in commemoration of Juneteenth."This Saturday, Democrats across America will celebrate the anniversary of Juneteenth, the country’s longest-running observance of the abolition of slavery."Juneteenth is a celebration of liberty, as we remember that day in 1865 when the news of emancipation finally reached the slaves of Galveston, Texas - two and a half years after President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation. On that day, slavery was finally eradicated from our country’s shores and a new sense of hope had been achieved for the entire nation."139 years after that historic day, the Democratic Party remains committed to fighting for equality in our schools, our workplaces, and in our neighborhoods to ensure an equal opportunity for all Americans.”
Scuse me?? The Democratic Party remains committed to fighting for equality? When the did this happen? Wasn’t it the Democratic Party that fought on the side of slavery? Wasn’t it the Democratic Party that fought against EVERY attempt to institute equality in our schools, our workplaces and our neighborhoods, right through the 1964 Civil Rights Act? At what point in our history did the Democratic party—the party of slavery, the party of segregation, the party of the Ku Klux Klan—become this nation’s champion of liberty?Talk about an Extreme Makeover! By the way, you won’t find a statement from the head of the RNC on that site. Apparently, the Republican party had nothing to do with freeing the slaves.

November 22, 1865
Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination

December 6, 1865
Republican Party’s 13th Amendment, banning slavery, is ratified

February 5, 1866
U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves

April 9, 1866
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law

April 19, 1866
Thousands assemble in Washington, DC to celebrate Republican Party’s abolition of slavery

May 10, 1866
U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote

There is a ton more inside my link and would take up too many posts on here.

I missed a little in my link in between my previous two posts if people want to read that.

Notice if you will, the obvious “disconnect” between the reality of this thread, and wraptard’s posts.

Can anyone identify the clinical label associated with this example?

Anyone?

Anyone?

wraptard pwned continuously.

Here is a little tidbit that was left out of the quotes within my link:

October 22, 1868
While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan

So there you have it wrap.  The Democrats were the ones that organized the KKK.  There are more KKK dates within the link so people should read the whole link.

It is almost too obvious to say, but the point is that “liberal” and “conservative” are not wedded to either party over the course of American History.  Yes, in 1860, the Republicans were the liberals, compared to the Democrats, at least in relation to the slavery issue, but the situation was blurry enough, to permit a lot of fudging.  Lincoln’s position of preserving the Union was “conservative” but the underlying motivation was (arguably) liberal, to CHANGE things and preserve the Union at the same time. 

God knows that there were many elements of racism in many of the “anti-slavery” positions.  Many have argued that the ‘free soil” idea of NOT extending slavery into the new states, was also a way of keeping out black people, who were bothersome to many, just in the fact that they existed. 

In a complicated, dynamic time, such as the era surrounding the Civil War, and maybe ALL eras, the definitions of conservative and liberal can be thrown around a lot, but things get blurry fast. The Republicans were obviously for preserving the Union and Big Government- the Union.  The war effort and aftermath of the Civil War propelled government to unprecedented scope and power, as did the war effort in WWII.  Most people are only partially motivated by principle, be it liberal or conservative, but very motivated by personal, practical, or gut reaction self interest, which can blow “conservative” or “liberal” depending on an infinite number of variables.

Is the military and its industrial complex, big government?  Is that conservative or liberal?  Jefferson dreamed of keeping the government small, with only a small army, and a country that minded its own business, farming and small scale commerce. How has that worked out?

Every American opposed to slavery was a conservative.  The conservatives realized that you couldn’t have one part of the country having slaves while the other part prohibited it.  The pro slavery crowd wanted to leave the union, which was the liberal position.  The conservative position was to keep the country together.

The secessionist Southerners were the liberals? What are you on, brown blotter or windowpane?