Mick: There’s the rub Sara. There’s the misconception, the urban myth, if you will. Obama did not grow up in the streets. He did not grow up surrounded by prostitutes and pimps. He grew up going to very priveledge and exclusive schools, in Hawaii, in Indonesia, and later in America at the most exclusive universities in the world.
Obama garnered his political philosophy from his leftist mother and from his leftist, intellectually elitist friends. Obama choose, as a path towards power, the role of “community activist”. Anybody here ever run into one of these “community activists”? They are frauds almost without exception. Some of you must have seen this Erich Michael Dyson on Fox several times. Ran into him personally in Atlanta in the 90s. “Community Activist”, who like Obama, was looking for a ticket to fame and political power. He wasn’t as successful as Obama, but he got his sorry ass up the ladder well enough. Obama chose Trinity church in Chicago for the same reason. For his own political advancement, cridibility and power.
But back to Obama. His leftist poltical beliefs have again, been simply acquired by rote, or by absorption if you will, like an amoeba. Being a leftist intellectual was the cool thing to be in his circles. His circles did not include pimps and dealers from some grade B ghetto flick. Like William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, Obama’s circles of leftist intellectuals came from the well-healed elite of lefist society in America.
I was’nt saying that he grew up on the streets Mick, the pimps and dealers in his case were the libereal left intelligencia and their Guavara tendency.
What I’m saying is yes, he learned by rote from them but it does not mean that in the final analysis that he accepts their analysis, he might just grow out of it.
Many people have grown up in very constricted social circles but escaped them. He is bound to them until he has enough momentum to dump them.
I’m not saying that is for sure but in fairness we should wait until the guy is in a strong enough position to lay his cards on the table.
Mick: There’s the rub Sara. There’s the misconception, the urban myth, if you will. Obama did not grow up in the streets. He did not grow up surrounded by prostitutes and pimps. He grew up going to very priveledge and exclusive schools, in Hawaii, in Indonesia, and later in America at the most exclusive universities in the world.
Obama garnered his political philosophy from his leftist mother and from his leftist, intellectually elitist friends. Obama choose, as a path towards power, the role of “community activist”. Anybody here ever run into one of these “community activists”? They are frauds almost without exception. Some of you must have seen this Erich Michael Dyson on Fox several times. Ran into him personally in Atlanta in the 90s. “Community Activist”, who like Obama, was looking for a ticket to fame and political power. He wasn’t as successful as Obama, but he got his sorry ass up the ladder well enough. Obama chose Trinity church in Chicago for the same reason. For his own political advancement, cridibility and power.
But back to Obama. His leftist poltical beliefs have again, been simply acquired by rote, or by absorption if you will, like an amoeba. Being a leftist intellectual was the cool thing to be in his circles. His circles did not include pimps and dealers from some grade B ghetto flick. Like William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, Obama’s circles of leftist intellectuals came from the well-healed elite of lefist society in America.
I was’nt saying that he grew up on the streets Mick, the pimps and dealers in his case were the libereal left intelligencia and their Guavara tendency.
What I’m saying is yes, he learned by rote from them but it does not mean that in the final analysis that he accepts their analysis, he might just grow out of it.
Many people have grown up in very constricted social circles but escaped them. He is bound to them until he has enough momentum to dump them.
I’m not saying that is for sure but in fairness we should wait until the guy is in a strong enough position to lay his cards on the table.
I understand now. You could be correct. There’s probably a better chance of a 46 year old man growing and learning than a 72 year old man.
BHO simply can’t drop his far left support, that’s his base.
He is even left of Dennis K, but just doesn’t sound like it.
Look at his full voting record back to day one on him. Check his stands even today when you can get one out of him.
If he tries to move to the center he can’t even get to where Hill has been placing herself all along and that was part of what people were chosing to vote against him for.
Nope he is stuck on the far left no matter how hard he tries it will only damage him even more.
But to your first post, sarasara, it’s undoubtedly true that Obama is going to drop his uber-left support as soon as possible, and they’ll be mad and stunned as hell. I don’t think he’s going to be elected, because Americans just won’t do it. But those lefties banging on the door and yelling “Wiiilllmaaaa!” is something I’d love to see.
Obama’s a true believer, he can’t just drop his uber-left support. He IS uber-left. He seems to be running on the assumption that he’s smart enough to talk the rest of the nation into joining the dark side. That’s his plan for bringing us together. Not moving closer to the center.
But to your first post, sarasara, it’s undoubtedly true that Obama is going to drop his uber-left support as soon as possible, and they’ll be mad and stunned as hell. I don’t think he’s going to be elected, because Americans just won’t do it. But those lefties banging on the door and yelling “Wiiilllmaaaa!” is something I’d love to see.
Obama’s a true believer, he can’t just drop his uber-left support. He IS uber-left. He seems to be running on the assumption that he’s smart enough to talk the rest of the nation into joining the dark side. That’s his plan for bringing us together. Not moving closer to the center.
This great for now but what is he going to do when the ADULTS get into the act and vote in the general election.
But to your first post, sarasara, it’s undoubtedly true that Obama is going to drop his uber-left support as soon as possible, and they’ll be mad and stunned as hell. I don’t think he’s going to be elected, because Americans just won’t do it. But those lefties banging on the door and yelling “Wiiilllmaaaa!” is something I’d love to see.
Obama’s a true believer, he can’t just drop his uber-left support. He IS uber-left. He seems to be running on the assumption that he’s smart enough to talk the rest of the nation into joining the dark side. That’s his plan for bringing us together. Not moving closer to the center.
I don’t accept that Obama is a ‘true believer’ because I have not seen a shred of evidence of him engaging in far-left activity in the past, as I said before he never lit a molotov cocktail. He is guilty only of hanging with the wrong people who are the people he grew up with.
Just as you grew up in a conservative family and environement he grew up in his mothers ‘Jane Fonda World’ but that is not a criminal infraction. Tony Blair rose out of left socialism to become the inheritor of Margaret Thatcher.
Obama was born of the left, raised on the left but at the end of the day that does not mean that as he grows up he is not rejecting their analysis.
John in Florida put it well. Obama is now talking to children, what will he do when he is talking to adults in the General Election?
One of his advisors told the BBC that while Obama opposed the war and has used the anti-war base to get the nomination yet when he is in the White House he will not be listening to the anti-war mob but the military on how to proceed in Iraq.
I have lost faith in McCain. Everyday produces a new horror, a new La Raza as he slashes and burns the Repubican and conservative base to try to get the Dem vote. His failure to choose the right economic adisor was the last straw, and when she proposed a confidence trick of a ‘gas holiday’ and he did not fire her that undermined even his character.
That’s why I am re-examing Obama, not in the light of all the hysteria I have engaged in and many of us are still engaging in on this forum which is little different from the anti-Bush hysteria the Dems engaged in during the last election, but a harder look at the man behind the mask.
It does not mean I am swinging his way. It just means I am watching closely to see how he develops as he gains power and can afford to start ditching the left liberal base for the center....if indeed that is what will happen.
Like Mick I want this country to have a President who is up to the job and like him I may not have the luxury of that President being from my own side.
Let’s see what McCain says to La Raza. Even Governor Schwarzentraitor himself told an assembly of Hispanic activists that Hispanics in California need to turn off the Spanish-language t.v. and get with the education and integration thing. (Some Hispanic broadcaster sharing the stage with him interrupted his speech to disagree.)
I’m not exactly holding my breath, but maybe, just maybe, he’ll tell them to quit thinking of themselves as separate and special, and suggest they get on with their American dream by joining the rest of us hard-working fools. He might even do a half-decent job of showing them that Republicans are more in step with the aspirations of people who drag their flea-bitten asses across the border to live a life in which you actually get paid for doing a little honest work, and who have traditions of religious faith and family values.
You’ve missed, ommitted, or just chose to ignore a very important point. Members of “La Raza” do not have an “American dream”. When “La Raza” members dream, it is of the Reconquista, of Aztlan, or the death of America. They do not dream of anything positive about America from an American’s point of view.
That’s very good, Mick, because I did choose to ignore that point in my post, although not in my thinking. The thing is, McCain’s speech will be heard not only by the people sitting in his audience that day. In fact, those people will probably ignore or condemn the entire substance of his speech if it’s what I talked about above. But if he does to La Raza what he famously does elsewhere, such as telling Michiganders that their jobs aren’t coming back, that would be a good thing for the rest of us. I’m just waiting to see what he says.
Interesting thread. If Obama wins, it will because people will vote against McCain or just not vote. Obama will make that easier if he makes some simple gestures toward security and rational taxation. I don’t know if that is possible for him.
McCain is now going on a Climate Change tour to strike at Republican support with small business and rational adults. McCain is not moving to he middle so much as he is just destroying the republican coalition. Based on his words and actions, it does not seem he actually wants to win. It appears more he just wants to appear opposite of those who disrespected him before in the Republican party. By the end of this type of campaign, he will destroy the Republican party. So far he has got to be the worst republican candidate ever.
McCain’s only advantage is that he’s the white candidate in a country where there are more white racists than black racists.
I don’t agree. There are far more black racists in this country than white racists. You see, during the time since MLK, whites were actually teaching their children the lessons of MLK. You know, all men were created equal. Blacks, on the other hand, have been teaching their children that whitey is bad and they have stopped teaching that. Doubt that? Look at the standing ovation that Wright got.
Blacks will not vote for McCain because he is white. Period.
However, whites, who happen to agree with Obama’s socialist agenda, will vote for Obama. Color will make no difference.
In relative terms, since blacks are only 11% of the population, there are probably more white racists than black racists. All those “working class blue collar whites” the MSM was talking about the last few weeks, who have run from Obama are probably what Impeachie is classifying as white racists. They won’t vote for a black guy even if he’s a democrat.
I agree with him. I think that’s McCain’s best shot at getting elected. That and the fact that “hispanics” hate blacks more than they hate gringos.
Many of those “white racists” might, instead, be Whites influenced by Obama’s racist preacher. Judging from the comments made during recent exit polls, Whites see Obama as the racist one, not themselves.
Obama brought racism into the election in a huge way with Reverend Wright. What we may never know is how many of those “white racists” are, in facts, Whites who won’t vote for a Black who, they believe, hates Whites.
What I find interesting now is the Black anger at Hillary for stating that Obama has alienated blue-collar Whites. Her commenting on this demographic has angered the Black pundits and superdelegates. They call it “divisive”. Nothing is as divisive as the “92%” factor, but nobody seems to want to go there.
McCain’s only advantage is that he’s the white candidate in a country where there are more white racists than black racists.
I don’t agree. There are far more black racists in this country than white racists. You see, during the time since MLK, whites were actually teaching their children the lessons of MLK. You know, all men were created equal. Blacks, on the other hand, have been teaching their children that whitey is bad and they have stopped teaching that. Doubt that? Look at the standing ovation that Wright got.
Blacks will not vote for McCain because he is white. Period.
However, whites, who happen to agree with Obama’s socialist agenda, will vote for Obama. Color will make no difference.
In relative terms, since blacks are only 11% of the population, there are probably more white racists than black racists. All those “working class blue collar whites” the MSM was talking about the last few weeks, who have run from Obama are probably what Impeachie is classifying as white racists. They won’t vote for a black guy even if he’s a democrat.
I agree with him. I think that’s McCain’s best shot at getting elected. That and the fact that “hispanics” hate blacks more than they hate gringos.
Many of those “white racists” might, instead, be Whites influenced by Obama’s racist preacher. Judging from the comments made during recent exit polls, Whites see Obama as the racist one, not themselves.
Obama brought racism into the election in a huge way with Reverend Wright. What we may never know is how many of those “white racists” are, in facts, Whites who won’t vote for a Black who, they believe, hates Whites.
What I find interesting now is the Black anger at Hillary for stating that Obama has alienated blue-collar Whites. Her commenting on this demographic has angered the Black pundits and superdelegates. They call it “divisive”. Nothing is as divisive as the “92%” factor, but nobody seems to want to go there.
But what you are forgetting Andrea is that Obama moved on from there to the point where he condemed the pastors words and everything they stood for.
Obama to my mind was a white kid from a white family but with a black face growing up outside the US proper in Indonesia and Hawaii. He needed to gain a sense of African-Americaness which Michelle tutored him in.
Unfortunatly she is a racist, bigoted, bitter bitch and he ended up with the Rev. Wrights black church rater than Condi Rices black church. But I have not seen a shred of evidence to show that he believes in liberation theology or black power.
In his speech in North Carolina he said (I’m writing from memory so not exact words but the sense of them):
“I am not proposing Liberal or Democratic values, I am not proposing Republican or Conservative values. All these values have moved to the extreme. I am proposing we return to American values.”
It’s that sort of statement that makes me think that he may follow Reagan to the center. Did you watch the clip at the beginning of the thread?
McCain is now to the left of Obama which is why I am watching which direction Obama takes as soon as he is powerful enough to do what George Bush did, when he ditched his conservative and right relegious base once he got into the White House. We don’t know if Obama will ditch the US-hating anti-war commie liberals when he is strong enough to do without them.
I think Obama is a non-believer in the sense that he doesn’t know what he thinks; he has formed no moral or intellectual principles. He’s got behavioral principles that he’s not aware of, the main one being to seek escape rather than truth whenever he gets in a pickle. And that’s what makes him so dangerous. He’s intellectually immature, naive, and untested, and when difficult decisions confront him (i.e. on Day One), he’ll be clueless in the most literal sense of the word.
Remember Rudy? I once saw him speak, and he talked about the importance of having strong, correct guiding principles in leadership. I see Obama confusedly scuttling towards expediency this day, Principle X that day, Principle Z another day, and desperately knitting it all together in some shapeless mess of a doctrine he’ll call Universalitism or Sensism--I’m making up words here because he’ll have to abandon Hope and Change and Unity. He’ll have made a mockery of them by the time he’s in action and those words will ring hollow in the ears of his stunned former followers.
A thought just struck me about a President Obama’s new buzzwords. The Chinese are always coming up with these dumb phrases. Right now it’s “the socialist market economy” and “an all-around well-off society” that they’re touting. Look for that kind of slop in an Obama White House, which I guarantee we will never see. Americans just. Won’t. Do. It.
One only needs to look at the exit polls as to where BHO has his support and the turnouts which were only high due to the food fight in progress.
Look at the size of the groups that sat out the primaries compared to the general and the major groups are those that firmly rejected the positions of BHO. They are also the groups that supported crossing over to vote for Mc if BHO were the candidate.
BHO is winning in states that will be red states in the general.
See the other thread on the simulations of all these group dynamics and historic voter patterns and current poll results.
BHO pretty much has gotten all the support he is going to get with only the addition of like minded voters in caucus states which will do him little good.
