I’m Tired Of Hearing “Border Security First”
Posted: 08 May 2008 10:27 PM   [ Ignore ]  
W. Churchill
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Border security means nothing without interior enforcement.

Every time McShame, or one of his lackeys, talks about “border security first”, he should be met with “interior enforcement first”.  Short, and to the point. 

(They should also get little electric shocks everytime they use the term “border security”, but we’ll let that go for now.)

INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT FIRST.

There are no alternatives.

 
 
Posted: 08 May 2008 10:52 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 1 ]  
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There’s no point in baling out the boat unless you patch the holes in the hull first.

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Posted: 08 May 2008 11:09 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 2 ]  
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Rusty Bill - 08 May 2008 10:52 PM

There’s no point in baling out the boat unless you patch the holes in the hull first.

The flow of illegals into the US will always be large, whether it comes from direct border crossings, organized smuggling, visa overstays, ...  We can never stop that flow, since we enjoy an essentially open and welcoming society.  Therefore, the only point of import with respect to the issue of illegals in the US is one of interior enforcement, since the flow is guaranteed to continue.

The idea that the flow of illegals can be shut off, when we have tens of millions of aliens legally coming through the US every year on tourist visas, work visas, student visas, ... is sheer fantasy.

The US is not a boat on calm waters whose underside leaks can be physically patched to keep the ocean out.  The US is a boat in a violent rain storm that has water rushing into it from all parts and directions and needs to get the water out, FIRST, and establish the fact that the storm can be withstood, since even worse weather awaits once it becomes clear that we can’t bail out the water now flowing in.  McShame chooses the strategy of fortifying the hull, leaving the water that’s already flooded in, and calling the whole thing a swimming pool.  Doesn’t work.

 
 
Posted: 09 May 2008 12:27 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 3 ]  
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progressoverpeace - 08 May 2008 11:09 PM

Rusty Bill - 08 May 2008 10:52 PM
There’s no point in baling out the boat unless you patch the holes in the hull first.

The flow of illegals into the US will always be large, whether it comes from direct border crossings, organized smuggling, visa overstays, ...  We can never stop that flow, since we enjoy an essentially open and welcoming society.  Therefore, the only point of import with respect to the issue of illegals in the US is one of interior enforcement, since the flow is guaranteed to continue.

That’s an expensive, tail-chasing scenario.  Part of the reason we have so many aliens in country is because for every person we deport, we have 100 illegals coming in.  If we stop the inward hemorrhaging, we have plenty of time to gradually deport illegals after they are arrested for other crimes.  If we built a fence (an electrifiede fence) we’d ultimately save the taxpayers over 10 billion dollars in the next 5 years and reduce the illegal population by 80%.  Border impenetrability is the only solution.

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Posted: 09 May 2008 01:05 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 4 ]

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It’s not an either/or situation. Both border security and internal enforcement are necessary to control illegal immigration.

But half-measures will not work. If we are going to do it, we have to go all the way.

Serious, solid border security; fences, armed patrols, etc. And those patrols need to have sufficient firepower to take on those allegedly rogue Mexican military units that are providing cover for smugglers and drug runners. Blow them straight to Mars, if necessary.

Employer sanctions. If a company or individual is found to be employing illegal aliens, any licenses they hold for their business are immediately suspended. If such employment was knowingly in violation of the law, then criminal prosecution - and I don’t mean piddling little $1,000 fines; I’m talking serious jail time.

Denial of any government assistance to illegals. No welfare, no food stamps, no housing assistance, nothing. Same goes for so-called “sanctuary cities”. Any city declaring itself a sanctuary immediately loses all federal funding. This includes closing any federal offices in the city - courts, law enforcement, post office, everything.

Deportation on discovery. Currently, the system is set up so that the illegal has all the advantages. This must be stopped, and stopped cold. Immediately an illegal is discovered, there can be only two possible destinations - jail or the border.

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Posted: 09 May 2008 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 5 ]

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The CORRUPT INS is issuing thousands of visas a day to illegals. The INS does not track Expired Visas. The INS is run by career Liberals who’s main agenda is to decrease the voting power of Conservative America by Increasing the Mexican Vote ( 100% Democrat). There’s no secret to this. The Fence is a farce. Border security is a Farce. The only way illegals will be dealt with is on a City and County level. All the Mexico neighboring States Governors have been bought and paid for , so nothing will be done by State Governments in New Mexico, Calif, Ariz, and Texas. These States Governors are complicit in the Invasion.
Some states like Colorado, Georgia have enacted legislation to rid themselves of the WETBACK SCOURGE by making it ILLEGAL to hire them. Until ALL cities and counties do it, the mexicans will continue to corrupt and bankrupt American Cities. At some point the citizens of America will get a bellyfull of the rapes, killings, assaults, pedophiles, gangs, etc. Until they do, the Mexicans will continue their assault on America.

 
 
Posted: 09 May 2008 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 6 ]  
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Grey Ghost - 09 May 2008 12:27 AM

progressoverpeace - 08 May 2008 11:09 PM
Rusty Bill - 08 May 2008 10:52 PM
There’s no point in baling out the boat unless you patch the holes in the hull first.

The flow of illegals into the US will always be large, whether it comes from direct border crossings, organized smuggling, visa overstays, ...  We can never stop that flow, since we enjoy an essentially open and welcoming society.  Therefore, the only point of import with respect to the issue of illegals in the US is one of interior enforcement, since the flow is guaranteed to continue.

That’s an expensive, tail-chasing scenario.  Part of the reason we have so many aliens in country is because for every person we deport, we have 100 illegals coming in.  If we stop the inward hemorrhaging, we have plenty of time to gradually deport illegals after they are arrested for other crimes.  If we built a fence (an electrifiede fence) we’d ultimately save the taxpayers over 10 billion dollars in the next 5 years and reduce the illegal population by 80%.  Border impenetrability is the only solution.

This not as complicated as it looks if your not looking for votes. Slam a couple of the major employers in jail and cut off all freebies and they will both stop coming and leave.

If conditions here are worse than where they all come from they wont come. It’s simple solutions no documents no money.  The jobs become the fence. Dump the politicians that impede the laws they enacted and Washington will hear you.

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Posted: 09 May 2008 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 7 ]  
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You don’t even have to make the border air tight.  Just by reducing the cross over opportunities in the major traveled areas will slow most of the illegal crossings.

From a terrorist standpoint that is another whole issue.

But in the miles of desert only areas , a few cameras or motion detectors can make you aware someone crossed and then you can respond to round them up since they likely have no place to hide.

Slow down the flow as others have said is only part of the issue, if jobs are not available to support them , some will self deport and others won’t make the trip unless they figure than can find a place to get a job.

Mexico doesn’t want it since it will likely turn their country into more civil unrest than they have had for prior elections already. 

Mexico needs to address their interior problems as part of the solution and not on our dime.

If the people coming over are so hard working and willing to work for a lower wage, Mexico should be incouraging foreign and domestic investment into their own factories and other work places to both lower social unrest and diversify their own income streams beyound tourism and oil.

As the economic expansion of Mexico continues there is less and less reason for their own people to want to head north.

They share a lot of the blame in this issue.

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Posted: 10 May 2008 10:52 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 8 ]  
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Close the borders, machine gun nests every 1,000 feet in high traffic areas. Sign states DO NOT CROSS. YOU WILL BE SHOT. IN THE MEXICIAN LINGO.

Then do it. First 50 rounds would bring a resounding silence along the border.

Not half as bad as the torture our nation has and is doing at detainee camps who knows where. GITMO, Bagram, wo knows where else.
Legal immigrants, fine. Illegal would be a no-no.
It would work like a swiss watch, you could bet the farm on it.

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Posted: 10 May 2008 02:53 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 9 ]  
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oldjim - 10 May 2008 10:52 AM

Close the borders, machine gun nests every 1,000 feet in high traffic areas. Sign states DO NOT CROSS. YOU WILL BE SHOT. IN THE MEXICIAN LINGO.

Yes, loosening the ROE at the border would be 10000 x’s more effective than building any walls, and much cheaper, too.  It sends the message, better than any wall could, that we are serious about our sovereignty and the games with illegals are over.

 
 
Posted: 10 May 2008 04:27 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 10 ]  
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progressoverpeace - 10 May 2008 02:53 PM

oldjim - 10 May 2008 10:52 AM
Close the borders, machine gun nests every 1,000 feet in high traffic areas. Sign states DO NOT CROSS. YOU WILL BE SHOT. IN THE MEXICIAN LINGO.

Yes, loosening the ROE at the border would be 10000 x’s more effective than building any walls, and much cheaper, too.  It sends the message, better than any wall could, that we are serious about our sovereignty and the games with illegals are over.

You see, therein lies the problem, they are not serious and they will not be until it is too late. Then the cry will go up “But we didn’t know!” They said it in Korea, when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and I am sure they told old Paul the same thing.
Well, maybe not the latter.
I will offer a bet. Put the guns in place, in addition to the sign have another sign: “If you are bringing illegal drugs into the USA, and you are caught, you will have 30 minutes to make peace with your maker, no trial, no lawyers, no help and no 2nd chances. At the end of 30 minutes, you will be shot.”
Bet you dollars to donuts that semi trailer trucks bring dope from the Mexician borders into and all over the USA would end, overnight.
Of course it will not happen.

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Posted: 10 May 2008 05:46 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 11 ]  
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OldJim...The Politicos have made Pot semi-illegal here in the US. No real penalties for simple possession anymore. So our hands are tied once again by our favorite RAT Senators. I say start having Firing Squads for simple possession of Drugs. Start with the 16 year old gang members in Philly. Bet that would straighten their asses out. We’ve had a rash of Killings lately by homeowners here in Texas. Protecting by LEGAL Force their Domain. It’s called the Castle Law, herein you can shoot and kill an intruder if he invades your home, business, or car. You don’ have to run or rereat anymore.
Killing a few dozen of these teenage gangesters always slows down the crime rate. I suggest multiplying that number by 100!

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