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GOP Loses Another House Seat, What Gives?
Posted: 18 May 2008 03:29 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 61 ]  
W. Churchill
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Al de Chicago - 14 May 2008 08:04 PM

oldjim - 14 May 2008 04:34 PM
I for one, as a former republician will and have in the past flatly state, the RINOS running and ruining the USA are not republicians. They are a freakish mixturer of one world govt., might makes right, do what I say, not what I do, devoted to destroying the constitution, see the FISA bill and read how it destroys the constituiton.
ANd the best the republician party can offer is john McCain? How pitiful that is the best they can do.
The RNC must have its head that its not seen daylight in the past 7 years.
two things seem to have happend in the past 16 years, the clintons seem to have destroyed the Democratic Party and George Bush seems to have destroyed the Republican party.
Both need to rise, like the phoenix and be renewed by tossing out the garbage in charge and installing some people who actualy give a dam about america, because as sure as water will freeze at 25 degrees, there is no one in Washington in the highest positions of power that gives a fig about the citizens and or the united states. Our nation is angry at these thugs destroying the USA, and well they ought to be, their behavior has been disgracefull so the people are angry for very good reasons..

And you may quote me.

Name one Republican you would have voted for for president?  In all of history.

Dwught D, Esienhower, Richard Nixon, Ronald Regan, George H. Bush,
George W. Bush, in 2000, after that, gag me with a spoon and I have been kicking my butt ever since. I am cured of compassionate Republicians, however, George w. Bush is not a republician, he is a rino.

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Posted: 18 May 2008 05:02 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 62 ]  
M. Thatcher
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april - 18 May 2008 01:32 PM

People are sick of right wing bullies who think they can shut down debate on real issues by posting scary pictures.

People are sick of bullies who will go into anyone’s closet to bring up some ‘past character flaw’ as if it is the issue of the day.

People are sick of right wing bullies who say the best news so far from conservatives is.......... what, the economy.

Conservative policies are failures.

All you have to do is go to the gas station, pay your health insurance premium, or look at the housing market.

But conservatives think THE most important issue of the day is comparing democrats to Hitler.

All conservatives want to do is shut down debate with mockery and smears.

People are sick of it.

We don’t need past character flaws for liberals, they have more than enough current ones to work with.

The gas prices , health insurance and housing costs are all because of democrat/liberal legislation and policies preventing drilling, preventing cutting down trees to build housing, preventing mining to lower ore costs to manufacture materials, preventing power plants to lower electrical costs used in manufacturing of all products, regulations out the butt for every industry that far exceed health and safety measures, tax policies and levels that increase the cost of everything with imbedded taxes that end up even costing the poverty level person who otherwise does not pay taxes directly to the government.

Tell you what fool , kick every person in the whole US off any form of government health care be it SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid but not Veterans benefits since they directly were caused by service issues unlike all those other health programs and put them into the commercial insurance pool and the price for everyone will go down on premiums due to the wider base of customers to spread the annual risk.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 01:22 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 63 ]

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B. Goldwater
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horse - 18 May 2008 12:58 PM

LOL Marko, I know the www site that deceptive lying pie chart comes from, it doesn’t include all of our money going to government for entitlements and mandatory spending. Defense spending as a % of total funds going to federal programs has steadily decreased over the decades, not to mention as a % of GDP. It is the one area of government spending that actually is relevant to the role of the federal government. It is what has kept

Once again, liberal lies and wishful thinking die when faced with all of the data. You need to look at all of the money going to the federal bureaucracy and where and how it is spent. We the people can control all of it if we wish. We are not ruled by your judges.

It’s more accurate BECAUSE it doesn’t include social progams that are funded by means other than taxes such as Trust Funds. The charts, (and it’s no secret, it’s clearly explained in the text), show where our tax dollars go.

AS THE TEXT EXPLAINED (and you really need to learn to read before you post)

The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don’t pay) by April 15, 2008, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller.

The Government Deception

The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending.

FY09_deception.gif

For a more accurate representation of how your Federal income tax dollar is really spent, see the large chart (below).

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Posted: 19 May 2008 01:56 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 64 ]

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D. Miller
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Marko, you read my words but you don’t seem to understand the point. Money coming from us is money coming from us. It doesn’t matter which tax it is, income, social, sales, property, etc… It ALL goes to government. You could draw a pie chart of property taxes and in many cases it would all be going to eduction, what does that tell you, that transportation isn’t getting its fair share of property taxes, or that we are paying way to much in property taxes? In reality, it doesn’t tell you anything unless you look at all outlays to government.

We send a boat load of money to the federal government in many forms, and it is used to fund a wide variety of programs. Looking at just one stream of our cash to the government is like looking at one tree in the forest. Those guys are wasting your time, but hey, its yours to waste. You are not going to be able to use that argument to any desired result as it is flawed.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 11:07 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 65 ]  
M. Thatcher
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All the left side usual suspect blogs are in lockstep on the message with this one and the list of pundits on the MSM both tv and newsprint is all the same old names.

The bullet points of their presentations and what they are saying is showing that this is simply a campaign to ‘make a reality out of whole cloth’.

The statistics and the numbers don’t support what they are saying and when they do quote any statistics they are doing major omissions of data that goes against their premise in many cases.

It is a false cheerleading attack too many are buying into without looking at the real data underneath, it is simply a big psych job across the board.

Yes we have issues, but nothing on the scale of what the left is trying to say, in fact with the divisions within their own house they have more problems likely this time around than we do.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 11:27 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 66 ]  
M. Thatcher
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The left rarely even talks about their own failures but every once in a while one actually slips through

Via PuffHo

The Rockridge Institute wasn’t the only progressive infrastructure organization that folded this spring. Another was the Center for Policy Alternatives , which shut down in April, 2008, after having been around for 32 years. CPA provided policy ideas for state governments, published an annual collection of policy recommendations, and trained future legislators. Like Rockridge, CPA’s executive director, Tim McFeeley, stated in his final emailed message that a main reason for CPA’s demise was the lack of support for infrastructure organizations among progressives.

Dealing with the need for ongoing support for their political movement’s operations is a challenge that needs to be addressed successfully, regardless of whether modern “progressives” align themselves more closely with independents or liberals or any particular political party.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 11:47 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 67 ]  
M. Thatcher
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Look back to the graph I presented about the voter turnout for the MS01 election and then go read the article I link here for an excellent discusion of the long term viewpoint.

It is a very good read and I recommend it.

http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2008/05/running-numbers-polarized-america.html

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Posted: 19 May 2008 02:56 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 68 ]  
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Marko - 19 May 2008 01:22 AM

It’s more accurate BECAUSE it doesn’t include social progams that are funded by means other than taxes such as Trust Funds. The charts, (and it’s no secret, it’s clearly explained in the text), show where our tax dollars go.

AS THE TEXT EXPLAINED (and you really need to learn to read before you post)

The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don’t pay) by April 15, 2008, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller.



The Government Deception

The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending.

“The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security —”

“Trust Funds”?

LOL!

That is simply an accounting “gimmick” that the congress uses so that they can justify the spending increases that they pass year after year.

Answer this simple question for me please. If there really is a “trust fund” that operates outside of the bulk of the federal bureaucracy, then where is the money?

Secondly, they are still considered taxes if they go directly into an account that the government can use as opposed to holding for you. We are currently being taxed to pay for the retirement funds and medical expenses of others. This money is not being accumulated for our future needs.

Only the congress can use deceptive accounting practices like that and not face prosecution for it!

 
 
Posted: 19 May 2008 04:02 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 69 ]  
D. Miller
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"Social Security Trust Fund”!!!

Priceless.  Marko my man, you really do need to get a clue.

 
 
Posted: 19 May 2008 04:54 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 70 ]  
M. Thatcher
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Mick730 - 19 May 2008 04:02 PM

“Social Security Trust Fund”!!!


Priceless.  Marko my man, you really do need to get a clue.

Between this and all threads BHO I am begining to sense a bit of desperation among our regular lefty commentors, nerves are being struck.

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