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vladimir estragon - 25 April 2008 01:34 PM

The problem, plain and simple, was this PC desire to promote homosexuality.

Right. The Roman Catholic Church was so easily swayed by “political correctness” that they allowed the homosexuals to run loose. That explains it.

It does. It was openly promoted as a ‘lifestyle’. Seminaries became havens for those sorts of things. And those naively applying to seminary, following their ‘call’, would be rudely turned away as having no ‘pastoral potential’ if they were caught expressing the opinion that homosexual behavior, and particularly as was encouraged in the seminaries, was not only wrong, but an abomination, according to Catholic dogma. All this began well after the conclusion of Vatican II. And the billion dollar payout to teenage boys charging priests and bishops with criminal behavior, molestation and even rape, can be traced to incidents from this period, and subsequently.

Well ...

If you read about The Lavender Mafia, you’ll see that it began just as Vatican II was being discussed as a possibility, i.e., early 1960s.

One Of ...

The many things that bothers me about this entire sordid chapter in the Church’s history is the FACT that fully FIFTY PERCENT (50%) of “rape” allegations turn out to be false. Thus, how many men, of all ages, came forward, made an allegation, and were handsomely rewarded with cash?  We’ll never know.

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Rocketman ~(Ä)~ - 26 April 2008 10:51 AM

The Lavender Mafia

Goodbye, Good Men, too. But I haven’t read it, myself.

There’s http://tinyurl.com/4a372m:

MSM Using Papal Visit to Focus on Priest Scandals Instead of Obama’s Rev. Wright
By Terry Trippany | April 16, 2008 - 16:19 ET

Thank heavens. Pope Benedict XVI has finally stepped off of Shepherd One onto American soil to begin a six day visit that is sure to be everything the American left hopes to make it out to be. The media is working overtime to resurrect old wounds, create some new controversies and repeat liberal talking points that so perfectly judges a man as only the selective memory of liberal hypocrisy has the ability to do.

And just in time too. What better way to take the pressure off of Barack Obama’s Rev. JeremiahWright controversy than to reignite the flames of the Catholic Church priest sex scandal? Finally, a target has appeared that is worthy of the left’s criticism and utter disdain. If only he had visited 2 or 3 weeks back....

Then this - http://tinyurl.com/42el52 Some revealing statistics that should be of interest to all Americans.

“Proud of Being Catholic”
(Excerpts of an article written by Sam Miller, prominent Cleveland Jewish businessman - NOT Catholic) Submitted by Dee Lynd

Why would newspapers carry on a vendetta on one of the most important institutions that we have today in the United States, namely the Catholic Church?

Do you know - the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday at the cost to your Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars. Your graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%, all at a cost to you. To the rest of the Americans it’s free.

The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students.

The Catholic Church has a non-profit hospital system of 637 hospitals, which account for hospital treatment of 1 out of every 5 people - not just Catholics - in the United States today.

But the press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in every way the Catholic Church in this country. They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.

Let me give you some figures that you as Catholics should know and remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact in a study by the United Methodist Church, 41.8 % of clergy women reported unwanted sexual behavior; 17%! of lay w omen have been sexually harassed. Meanwhile, 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10% of the Protestant ministers hav e been found guilty of pedophilia. This is not a Catholic Problem.

A study of American priests showed that most are happy in the priesthood and find it even better than they had expected, and that most, if given the choice, would choose to be priests again in face of all this obnoxious PR the church has been receiving.

The Catholic Church is bleeding from self-inflicted wounds. The agony that Catholics have felt and suffered is not necessarily the fault of the Church. You have been hurt by a small number of wayward priests that have probably been totally weeded out by now.

Walk with your shoulders high and you head higher. Be a proud member of the most important non-governmental agency in the United States. Then remember what Jeremiah said: “Stand by the roads, and look and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is and walk in it, and find rest for your souls”. Be proud to speak up for your faith with pride and reverence and learn what your Church does for all other religions.

Reprinted excerpts with permission of the Buckeye Bulletin
courtesy of Brookside Council #3297, Cleveland Diocese.

Tuesday - 28 April 2008 11:50 PM

Do you know - the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday

But not in Catholicism. And the actual figures show a great dropoff since Vatican II, though certainly the turn almost exclusively to lay teachers has cost these parishes a lot.

Tuesday - 28 April 2008 11:50 PM

The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students.

But, again, these are not Catholic, save for a few, or a few departments, trying to restore ‘all things’. When the most liberal scoundrels are routinely invited to speak at such universities, and when a man in need of Extreme Unction can find only a rabbi or Protestant minister on duty at the ‘catholic’ hospital, it needs to be pointed out. Of course, he wouldn’t fare any better with your ‘catholic’ Fr. Bob. That’s because Bob doesn’t do Extreme Unction, either.

Tuesday - 28 April 2008 11:50 PM

They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.

Or blaming divorce on quickie annulments, even. You point out, as was pointed out in previous messages if you’d bothered to read them, that this is not exclusively a faus-Catholic scandal. This is not just the Vatican II sect doing this. But that this was found in other denominations, in secular classrooms, in Congress and most everywhere else, does not excuse the criminality of those you wish to defend. Yes, they were not alone in such homosexual behavior. But they involved many in the cover-ups. Many knew. And many knew how the seminaries selected these predators, and discouraged/banished those who would criticize such an ‘open door’ policy.

Two books were mentioned, above.

Tuesday - 28 April 2008 11:50 PM

A study of American priests showed that most are happy in the priesthood

They are ‘happy’ watching ignorant EM’s fiddle with the cup and bread, as they sit idly by on the side? They are ‘happy’ with each new song innovation and stage play from the ‘committee’ or ‘directors’? At some point, they say to themselves - yes, it’s a fraud, I’m a fraud, and I’m gettin paid with lots of perks - or they say - maybe somebody should remind them I’m supposed to be running this show.

The Vatican II sectarians that I see don’t seem happy. They are content. They are resigned. They don’t seem happy. And the parishioners don’t seem happy. They are angry that Protestantism is too much in evidence in their services. They are angry with Fr. Bob for other reasons. But they still go. They still pay him. It’s a habit, or they need to be seen lest others think they’ve died, and so on.

Tuesday - 28 April 2008 11:50 PM

You have been hurt by a small number of wayward priests that have probably been totally weeded out by now.

They ARE the ‘system’. Disobedience, chaos, rebellion. This IS the Vatican II sect. Roman Catholics are NOT welcomed. It’s so obvious it shouldn’t even need to be said. Ecumenism goes out to all - but not to Roman Catholics. If that alone does not define the diabolism of such ecumenism, what would?

All of this, the rot in the institutions which you refuse to confess, the falling away and apostacy from the ‘Popes’ on down, the outright hostility shown toward Roman Catholics attempting holy correction of these ‘wayward’, it all cannot be denied simply because it is uncomfortable. One can deny that spot prices for crude are in excess of $100. One can ignore the price at the pump, and say all is rosy. Polly can say many things. And Polly can lie, and to herself most of all.

Roman Catholicism is the answer, the hated and despised Roman Catholicism. Perhaps you feel the same way when it is suggested - wftsradio.com .

Thanks for the post, Tuesday.

Yes, there ARE problems in Catholic schools, but when given the choice, most parents would send their kids to Catholic schools.  Having attended both Catholic and public schools, I can attest to the fact that the education is by far and away much better at the Catholic schools.  After having to go to public school, given my parent’s financial situation, I was a good 2-3 years ahead of my classmates.  IF, these days, the parents choose to opt out of “religion class”, they are welcome to do so.

And yes, there is a problem with the lack of teaching nuns, etc., but once the general public sees through Democrat demagoguery, and plain lies actually, and school vouchers are universally accepted, I believe that the Catholic schools will begin to once again flourish.

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What better way to take the pressure off of Barack Obama’s Rev. JeremiahWright controversy than to reignite the flames of the Catholic Church priest sex scandal?

Let’s see: would I rather have my kid see a guy on TV say “God damn America,” or have my kid be molested by a priest?

Let me think about that for a while.

vladimir estragon - 29 April 2008 04:56 PM

What better way to take the pressure off of Barack Obama’s Rev. JeremiahWright controversy than to reignite the flames of the Catholic Church priest sex scandal?

Let’s see: would I rather have my kid see a guy on TV say “God damn America,” or have my kid be molested by a priest?

Let me think about that for a while.

You talk about you kid being molested as if it was a sure thing in a Catholic church,is that what you think? The way I see it you go to rev Wright church you have a sure thing,so why don’t you do that.We Catholics would be grateful if you did.

Since you agree with him to start with.

vladimir estragon - 29 April 2008 04:56 PM

Let’s see: would I rather have my kid see a guy on TV say “God damn America,” or have my kid be molested by a priest?

Let me think about that for a while.

My dad went to Catholic school for 12 years, my brothers and I went to Catholic school for 12 years and my son has been going to Catholic school since pre-K, now a sophomore in HS....and guess what?  None of us were molested and all of us were altar boys to boot.  Not to say that kind of deviant behavior didn’t occur, a few years ago one of my brothers called me to tell me that a former parish priest of ours in Central Florida had been defrocked for molesting children over a two decade long period.  Needless to say, I was really pissed off, because upon reading the newspaper articles I realized that some of the boys molested were my classmates and friends.  Now I don’t feel so bad about kicking in the side of the priest’s Mercedes Benz after he ratted me out for catching a smoke back in eighth grade.  I truly pray that the SOB rots to death from cancer or something similar, but I’m not going to throw my church or the dedicated lay and clergy ‘under the bus’ because of a few pathetic losers.  I’m certain that God has something really stunning in store for those POS’s.

Rocketman ~(Ä)~ - 29 April 2008 11:02 AM

far and away much better at the Catholic schools.

That may be the smaller classes and more concern on the part of the lay teachers. Home schoolers tend to do best. Elite private schoolers next. Then parochial, which is also private. But they aren’t being taught Catholicism. In that case, it would be best to home school or else be exposed to the same nonsense as elsewhere.