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I agree with Reverend Wright and so should you.
Posted: 22 March 2008 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 31 ]

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Yes, even his “God damn America” sermon.

If you are a Christian who believes in an all-powerful loving God, then you should also agree that God would condemn any frail, fallible government of men which aspires to be like unto God and treats any of its people as subhuman. That is the point of Reverend Wright’s sermon; it is many things but anti-American is not one of them. (He praises the government under Clinton, of whom he was a friend.)

If you are accurate in the point of Rev. Wright’s sermon, then it is the antithesis of the Christian message. 

At tonight’s Good Friday Mass, we were reminded that the point is Love.  When one is at the bottom of the pit of despair, we are to love.  We don’t hate, and we don’t damn.  The priest used two examples from concentration camps in the homily.  And of course, we have the supreme example of Good Friday itself.

When we are at the bottom, being spat upon and killed because of our identity, we are called to love.  Not hate.

And those who tell us lies so that we can hate more are on the wrong side.

Is it wrong of me to hate them that tell lies to promote hate?

Arch,

Yes, it is wrong to hate THEM.

However, it is not wrong to hate the actions that they are doing. Jeremiah Wright and all the other preachers of the Black Liberation Theology are spewing venomous hate of the white race, and as such, YES: it is ok to hate thier ACTIONS.

If you love your country you would naturally hate what they are doing, because they are spreading hate among us. They are spreading lies. They preach that we are the white oppressors, rich white people.

They defend their hate of us by saying that Jesus tells them to hate white rich people. That is a big lie!

What those preachers are NOT telling them:

Poor people will go to hell for hating white rich people.

And considering all the parishners at Jeremiah Wright’s church, he will be held accountable for the spiritual death of a lot of people.

So, the short story is: Hate the sin, not the sinner.

And despite what Dwight tells you, most of us in all of our rantings, do not hate Obama or Jeremiah Wright. We hate what they are doing to our country. Dwight wants to confuse you more. Bless his heart, he has turned his back and soul on God, and now wants to poison you too.

We hate the sin of what they do; we don’t hate the person. It’s that simple but our detractors from the liberal godless left accuses us of the wrong type of hate.

What a beautiful answer! Hats off to you Radioman.

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Posted: 22 March 2008 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 32 ]

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arch - 22 March 2008 04:16 PM

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Yes, even his “God damn America” sermon.

If you are a Christian who believes in an all-powerful loving God, then you should also agree that God would condemn any frail, fallible government of men which aspires to be like unto God and treats any of its people as subhuman. That is the point of Reverend Wright’s sermon; it is many things but anti-American is not one of them. (He praises the government under Clinton, of whom he was a friend.)

If you are accurate in the point of Rev. Wright’s sermon, then it is the antithesis of the Christian message. 

At tonight’s Good Friday Mass, we were reminded that the point is Love.  When one is at the bottom of the pit of despair, we are to love.  We don’t hate, and we don’t damn.  The priest used two examples from concentration camps in the homily.  And of course, we have the supreme example of Good Friday itself.

When we are at the bottom, being spat upon and killed because of our identity, we are called to love.  Not hate.

And those who tell us lies so that we can hate more are on the wrong side.

Is it wrong of me to hate them that tell lies to promote hate?

Arch,

Yes, it is wrong to hate THEM.

However, it is not wrong to hate the actions that they are doing. Jeremiah Wright and all the other preachers of the Black Liberation Theology are spewing venomous hate of the white race, and as such, YES: it is ok to hate thier ACTIONS.

If you love your country you would naturally hate what they are doing, because they are spreading hate among us. They are spreading lies. They preach that we are the white oppressors, rich white people.

They defend their hate of us by saying that Jesus tells them to hate white rich people. That is a big lie!

What those preachers are NOT telling them:

Poor people will go to hell for hating white rich people.

And considering all the parishners at Jeremiah Wright’s church, he will be held accountable for the spiritual death of a lot of people.

So, the short story is: Hate the sin, not the sinner.

And despite what Dwight tells you, most of us in all of our rantings, do not hate Obama or Jeremiah Wright. We hate what they are doing to our country. Dwight wants to confuse you more. Bless his heart, he has turned his back and soul on God, and now wants to poison you too.

We hate the sin of what they do; we don’t hate the person. It’s that simple but our detractors from the liberal godless left accuses us of the wrong type of hate.

What a beautiful answer! Hats off to you Radioman.

I second this.

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Posted: 22 March 2008 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 33 ]

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I third it. Beautifully put Radioman.

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Posted: 23 March 2008 05:23 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 34 ]

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Jeremiah Wright is “full of sound and fury signifying nothing” but hatred.”

His church’s website demands:
“A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.”

Ummmmm … Why is Jeremiah W. STILL living large here in the USA?

I’m still waiting to hear one, single African American explain:

1.  Which African country s/he wishes s/he had been born in and why.
2.  Which African country s/he wishes s/he had grown up in and why.
3.  Which African country s/he wishes s/he were living in right now.

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Posted: 24 March 2008 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 35 ]

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Yep… I’m seeing it happen now. The overreaching has begun. Long-silent prejudices are being uttered openly more and more.

Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.

So to say, essentially, put not your faith in country, put your faith in God, is the equivalent of blasphemy.

Wright, I think, seems to be the polar opposite of the megachurch. Which makes them two sides of the same coin, really. Interesting.

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Posted: 24 March 2008 03:42 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 36 ]

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Raptavio - 24 March 2008 02:57 PM

Yep… I’m seeing it happen now. The overreaching has begun. Long-silent prejudices are being uttered openly more and more.

Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.

So to say, essentially, put not your faith in country, put your faith in God, is the equivalent of blasphemy.

Wright, I think, seems to be the polar opposite of the megachurch. Which makes them two sides of the same coin, really. Interesting.

You’re a hoot Rap. Obama’s 20 year mentor says, “God Damn America”, “The US of KKK America”, makes all kinds of racist comments against Whites, and blames the worst terrorist attack on our soil on ourselves, and those who oppose him are “overreaching”, “conflating God and country”, and the holders of “Long-silent prejudice”.

Pathetic.

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Posted: 24 March 2008 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 37 ]

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IDP,

If he blamed 9/11 on us, he was simply—how did you put it?—being too big for his britches.

Yeah. Pathetic. In case you haven’t noticed—I’m not defending Wright. You seem to be laboring under the illusion that I am.

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Posted: 24 March 2008 08:34 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 38 ]

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Yep… I’m seeing it happen now. The overreaching has begun. Long-silent prejudices are being uttered openly more and more.

by whom?

Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.

I wonder what the unit of measurement is for such ignorance.

So to say, essentially, put not your faith in country, put your faith in God, is the equivalent of blasphemy.

Eat your heart out mary K, this will take all the lipstick at rap’s disposal.

Wright, I think, seems to be the polar opposite of the megachurch. Which makes them two sides of the same coin, really. Interesting.

This is meaningless. Rap has decided not to defend wright but he apparently lacks the chi chi bongas necessary to call those of us who are offended by the “reverend” bigots. He just can’t do that outright.

Apparently we are supposed to be OK with Reverend Rage because his church isn’t Mega.

Talk about signifying nothing! You go boy.

Empty suit? No, raptavio is a vacant tinfoil hat.

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Posted: 24 March 2008 10:06 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 39 ]

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Raptavio - 24 March 2008 02:57 PM

Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.

It’s worse than that, Raptavio. They conflate America the ideal with America in its actual practice, so that if you speak out against the latter you are considered a traitor to the former. Regrettably this is very common, ingrained into the fabric of American culture. Earl Dunovant on this “typical white person” practice:

In order to care properly for your white people, you should understand some things about them. First of all, they assign primary reality to their thoughts instead of the planet. Incapable, as are we all, of comprehending reality in its majestic fullness, they live in their mental model of the world, resorting to rationality instead of intelligence in the bizarre belief that improvements in measuring things is an improvement in knowledge. They constantly refine their knowledge instead of expanding it. This has allowed them to discover some cute and useful monkey tricks with energy and matter, but these same monkey tricks can have side effects that reduce their net benefit drastically…in some cases, the side effects can, over the long term, even eliminate the benefits of these tricks. And because refinement of knowledge is given priority over expansion of knowledge they rarely expand their vision so that the full repercussions of their actions can be seen until it becomes something that demands attention. This pattern can be seen over and over in the reports .

 
 
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bitwize - 24 March 2008 10:06 PM

Raptavio - 24 March 2008 02:57 PM

Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.

It’s worse than that, Raptavio. They conflate America the ideal with America in its actual practice, so that if you speak out against the latter you are considered a traitor to the former. Regrettably this is very common, ingrained into the fabric of American culture.

Sounds like a racist liberal thing…

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Regrettably this is very common, ingrained into the fabric of Liberal culture.

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Who the heck is Earl Dunovant?  And why should anyone pay attention to his cant?  He sounds like some pathetic, coffee house philosopher.

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Pongo - 25 March 2008 12:15 AM

Who the heck is Earl Dunovant?  And why should anyone pay attention to his cant?  He sounds like some pathetic, coffee house philosopher.

You’re not far off, there.

Mr. Earl Dunovant is “Prometheus 6”:

http://www.prometheus6.org/blog/1

From the PBS website:

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Earl Dunovant has been everything from a manual laborer in a warehouse to an assistant vice president in a Japanese bank. Right now, he is the operator of Prometheus 6.

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Quote Raptivio:

“Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.”

In a sense they are intertwined.  The two things Americans believe in are our country and it’s laws IE the constitution and our god no matter what religion.  The two are the most important things in the U.S.A.

The constitution is uniquely ours and the freedom of religion is why we are here.  I don’t see them as far apart from each other. If anything they are the same side of a coin.SmileyCentral.com<img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http://imgfarm.com/images/nocache/tr/fw/smiley/social.gif?i=36/36_1_12/image.gif">

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Quote Raptivio:

“Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.”

In a sense they are intertwined.  The two things Americans believe in are our country and it’s laws IE the constitution and our god no matter what religion.  The two are the most important things in the U.S.A.

The constitution is uniquely ours and the freedom of religion is why we are here.  I don’t see them as far apart from each other. If anything they are the same side of a coin.SmileyCentral.com<img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http://imgfarm.com/images/nocache/tr/fw/smiley/social.gif?i=36/36_1_12/image.gif">

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We can have no “50-50” allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.

 
 
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John florida - 25 March 2008 12:46 AM

Quote Raptivio:

“Another thing I’m learning: A great many people have conflated God and country, as if they were somehow intertwined. To speak against one is to speak against the other. I guess it is likely a product of the “megachurch” phenomenon.”

In a sense they are intertwined.  The two things Americans believe in are our country and it’s laws IE the constitution and our god no matter what religion.  The two are the most important things in the U.S.A.

The constitution is uniquely ours and the freedom of religion is why we are here.  I don’t see them as far apart from each other. If anything they are the same side of a coin.

IMO, what you just uttered is blasphemy.

Seriously.

This country is of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not of, by or for God. To claim God’s mantle - to say that God and Country are two sides of the same coing - is to elevate Man and lower God.

I love my country, but I also know my country is of this world, not the next.

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