It’s wearying to have to keep repeating such information over and over. I wonder why the left never appears to tire; lies are harder to maintain.
“A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” *
/Mr Lynn
* This quote has been attributed to Mark Twain, but it has never been verified as originating with Twain. It may have originated with Charles Haddon Spurgeon (1834-92) who attributed it to an old proverb in a sermon delivered on Sunday morning, April 1, 1855. Spurgeon was a celebrated English fundamentalist Baptist preacher. His words were: “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on. http://www.twainquotes.com/Lies.html
LOL, Mr Lynn, I had forgotten that bit of wit.
Point taken; although I don’t know the real truth of that quote, I do know a lie would be harder for ME to maintain.
Eran: You’ve got it right. “Race” is an excuse for the left to continue their programs which provide more acolytes for their practices. There are now legions of people who have come to this country, legal and illegal, and they have made a success of the opportunities here. And, they don’t have Sharpton, Jackson, Obama and others passing out benefits to them. The left can’t muster up the courage to speak about effort, work, education, values and so on. Those who do work and succeed don’t need the Obamas of the world. That is anathema to all liberals. They can’t even speak words like effort, education, respect. We can thank the Rev. Jeremiah Wright for showing us what Obama really has inside him:
nothing. Obama will be one more Clinton or Lyndon Johnson or ... .
All I know is that the Rev.Wrong/Obama story keeps changing. We have gone from I never heard any of that to yes I heard it to I didn’t hear some of the quotes.
This is a hell of a lot more revealing that the stories that started this mess for Obama. The mask is off and it reveals that he is just a politician. Nothing more nothing special.
He had it covered for a while and that’s over and so it seems id his run. Clinton will now move to kill him off.
Few more points regarding the racism in America
1 - It was the white, British abolitionists (Christians) who forced the British Navy to blockade the slave trading ports in Africa - they stopped the slave trade.
2 - American is the only nation (I believe) that has made slavery illegal; that is, outlawed it - thank you Republican President, Lincoln.
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Where did you get that factoid? England outlawed slavery BEFORE we did. We outlawed the importation, well before the Civil War, although there was a fair amount of smuggling since the US decided that it would refuse to let Brit ships check American ships for slaves. Once we outlawed the importation, though, a given slaves value increased and it took the Civil War to end slavery, but by 1870 the South was able to reimpose “control” and intimidation of its black population.
You missed my point. Obama, Wright, Jackson, Sharpton, leftists, etc. and their ilk do not want to change - they keep harping on race, using it to divide Americans instead of uniting them. IF race were not such a core issue for the left and its mouths, they wouldn’t raise it all the time. They would stop spewing victimization and racial hate.
Obama has been well described by Shelby Steele. We don’t know what or who Obama believes. His words are empty pabulum - they say nothing. All he wants are more social programs ala the 1930’s - none of which have helped the blacks improve. What works is education and WORK. With the left, including Obama, it’s about power, money and control. One wonders if he wants racial neutrality or not. Their rhetoric or avoidance of those who preach anti-American talk, each in their own way fire up and anger, plays on white guilt and nothing changes.
Remember, Obama took off his flag pin. Maybe we now know why.
I want mostly to agree with you. But two things:
1. Blacks are better off since the Civil Rights movement. To me, that makes the country better off.
2. Just because the left is f-ed up, doesn’t mean conservatives should only sit on the sidelines and cluck about hard work, etc, etc. There are conservative things that could be done that, by my lights, we should be willing to pay a few more bucks for if that’s the only way they can get done.
Making stuff up is not a “narrative,” nor is it a “remix.”
Back in the late 70s I listened to some fool on a DC radio station go on and on about how ancient Egypt was not really a Mediterranean society; rather, it was a black African society. I marveled at how this level of ignorance could possibly gain purchase, even in the black community. It can only be attributed to a couple of factors, IMO: 1) the abysmal failure of education in the black community; 2) a tolerance for the Big Lie as a form of entertainment. I realize now after this Wright kerfuffle that what I was hearing was Black Liberation Theology. Like most Big Lies, it didn’t have to be true; it just had to be deeply gratifying to the believers.
Recently I looked in on The Black Republican Network http://groups.msn.com/BlackRepublicanNetwork/blackvote.msnw and was once again enthralled by the anecdotes about popular misconceptions in the black community. My favorite was that the Republicans were the founders of the KKK and that the Republicans were responsible for frustrating civil rights for 90 years, not the Democrats.
We may need a “dialog about race” but we most definitely need better history education nationwide. People who think like these Black Liberation Theologians are not equipped to be citizens of any kind, never mind good citizens. They aren’t equipped to be anything except victims of monumental ignorance.
There are conservative things that could be done that, by my lights, we should be willing to pay a few more bucks for if that’s the only way they can get done.
Patrick, this is the second time in as many days that I’ve observed you advocating for spending more tax money on....something.
I’m not “willing to pay” another dime on a government-sponsored-tax-money-spending-program for anything or anybody anywhere.
“Conservative things” that could be done would not involve government spending, if indeed they are conservative, according to this conservative. Of course, I am well aware that the meaning of “conservative” is “evolving”, thanks to George Bush and his fellow travellers, in the cause of “compassion”.
The “compassion” of the War on Poverty is directly responsible for a good part of the beginning dysfunction of too many generations of black people, and the “compassion” of affirmative action has helped feed the anger and resentment of whites and blacks alike.
There are conservative things that could be done that, by my lights, we should be willing to pay a few more bucks for if that’s the only way they can get done.
Patrick, this is the second time in as many days that I’ve observed you advocating for spending more tax money on....something.
I’m not “willing to pay” another dime on a government-sponsored-tax-money-spending-program for anything or anybody anywhere.
“Conservative things” that could be done would not involve government spending, if indeed they are conservative, according to this conservative. Of course, I am well aware that the meaning of “conservative” is “evolving”, thanks to George Bush and his fellow travellers, in the cause of “compassion”.
The “compassion” of the War on Poverty is directly responsible for a good part of the beginning dysfunction of too many generations of black people, and the “compassion” of affirmative action has helped feed the anger and resentment of whites and blacks alike.
No more “good deeds” from conservatives.
No more good deeds by the Federal Government period, every time they get generous it turns into a never ending screw up.
Making stuff up is not a “narrative,” nor is it a “remix.”
Back in the late 70s I listened to some fool on a DC radio station go on and on about how ancient Egypt was not really a Mediterranean society; rather, it was a black African society. I marveled at how this level of ignorance could possibly gain purchase, even in the black community. It can only be attributed to a couple of factors, IMO: 1) the abysmal failure of education in the black community; 2) a tolerance for the Big Lie as a form of entertainment. I realize now after this Wright kerfuffle that what I was hearing was Black Liberation Theology. Like most Big Lies, it didn’t have to be true; it just had to be deeply gratifying to the believers.
Recently I looked in on The Black Republican Network http://groups.msn.com/BlackRepublicanNetwork/blackvote.msnw and was once again enthralled by the anecdotes about popular misconceptions in the black community. My favorite was that the Republicans were the founders of the KKK and that the Republicans were responsible for frustrating civil rights for 90 years, not the Democrats.
We may need a “dialog about race” but we most definitely need better history education nationwide. People who think like these Black Liberation Theologians are not equipped to be citizens of any kind, never mind good citizens. They aren’t equipped to be anything except victims of monumental ignorance.
Yeah, I’m all in favor of better history education so that people won’t think that we are the only country to ever outlaw slavery.
# Hungary: Stephen I of Hungary the first Hungarian Christian king declared in his laws (near 1000) that any slave that lives, stays or enters the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary would become free immediately.
# Sweden, including Finland: 1335 ("for slaves born by Christian parents” (de facto everyone in the mainland), made illegal in the colony of St Barthélemy in 1813, slaves bought free by the state in 1847.)
# Japan: In 1587 Toyotomi Hideyoshi ordered all slave trading to be abolished. His successor Tokugawa Ieyasu also continued abolishment of slavery although severe servitude was still on practice until the fall of the Tokugawa Shogunate in the 1860’s.
# Portugal: 1761 in Portugal and Portuguese India (1836, African colonies)
# England and Wales: In practice, 1772, as a result of Somersett’s case; although the legal effect of this was much more limited; see Slavery at common law
# Scotland: 1776 as a result of Wedderburne’s case[2] [3]
# Vermont: 1777, Commonwealth of Vermont, an independent republic created after the American Revolution, on July 8, 1777. Vermont joined the United States of America in 1791.
# Bukovina: 1783, Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor issued an order abolishing slavery on 19 June 1783 in Czernowitz.[19]
# Haiti: 1791, revolt among nearly half a million slaves
# Upper Canada: 1793, by Act Against Slavery (this did not free any slaves, but stated that children of current slaves would become free at age 25)
# France (first time): 1794-1802, including all colonies (although abolition was never carried out in some colonies under British occupation)
# Lower Canada: In 1803, William Osgoode, then Chief Justice of Lower Canada, ruled that slavery was not compatible with British law; this freed many slaves, but some remained enslaved until the abolition of slavery in the entire British Empire in 1833
# Chile: 1811 partially, and in 1823 for all who remained as slave and “whoever slave setting a foot on Chilean soil”.
# Argentina: 1813
# Gran Colombia (Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, and Venezuela): 1821, through a gradual emancipation plan (Colombia in 1853, Venezuela in 1854)
# Federal Republic of Central America, present (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica): 1824
# Mexico: 1829
# British Empire: 1833, including all colonies (with effect from 1 August 1834; in East Indies from 1 August 1838). Slavery was ruled illegal in England in 1772. In 1807 slave trading was abolished, and Royal Navy tasked with suppressing it, even when carried on by non-British subjects.
# Mauritius: 1 February 1835, under the British government. This day is a public holiday.
# Spain: 1837, only for metropolis, not for colonies.
# Denmark: 1848, including all colonies (July 3rd, Danish West Indies)
# France (second time): 1848, including all colonies
# Peru: 1851
# Moldavia: 1855
# Wallachia: 1856
# Russia: In 1861 Emancipation of Serfs, releasing 20 million, occurred under Tsar Alexander II; Emancipation reform of 1861
# The Netherlands: 1863, including all colonies, but kept using ‘Recruits’ from Africa until 1940
# The United States: 1865, after the U.S. Civil War (Many states abolished slavery for themselves at various dates between 1777 and 1864)
# Puerto Rico 1873 and Cuba: 1886 (both were colonies of Spain at the time)
# Ottoman Empire: 1876. As late as 1908 women slaves were still sold in the Ottoman Empire.[20]
# Brazil: 1888. The last country to do so in the Americas.[21] The Imperial Princess Isabel de Bragança abolished all forms of slavery existent in the Brazilian Empire.
# Korea: 1894 (hereditary slavery ended in 1886)
# Madagascar: 1896
# Zanzibar: 1897 (slave trade abolished in 1873)
# Siam (Thailand): 1905[22]
# China: 1910[23] (However, still in 1930, there were still about 4 million children treated as slaves in China.[24])
# Somalia: 1920[25]
# Afghanistan: 1923[26]
# Sudan: Officially abolished in 1924, actually still practiced today.[27] See Slavery in Sudan.
# Iraq: 1924[28]
# Nepal: 1926[29][30]
# Iran: 1928
# Burma: 1929
# Morocco: Slavery was outlawed in the 1930s.[31]
# Northern Nigeria: 1936[32]
# Ethiopia: 1936, by order of the Italian occupying forces (see Second Italo-Abyssinian War). After Ethiopia regained independence in 1942 during World War II, Emperor Haile Selassie did not re-establish slavery.
# Qatar: 1952
# Saudi Arabia: 1962
# Yemen: 1962
# United Arab Emirates: 1963
# Oman: 1970
Making stuff up is not a “narrative,” nor is it a “remix.”
Thanks, Corlyss_D, for reminding me of this pithy statement from John’s original post.
I too am sick and tired of this ‘post-modernist’ idea, inculcated in the most elite universities, that there is no truth; there are only competing ‘narratives’.
This notion, which I guess comes out of literary criticism, is death not only for the sciences, but for serious historiography, and ultimately for a free society, which depends upon an educated citizenry to maintain the truth of its founding principles.
Dictators and other potentates of course “make up stuff” all the time. Remember the Soviets even claiming they “invented baseball”?
There has got to be a movement to counter this ultimately anti-intellectual, poisonous, dilettantish fashion, lest it end up justifying the most outlandish ideas (like the US invented AIDS) and eating away at the foundations of our society—which, I fear, it is already doing.
All he wants are more social programs ala the 1930’s - none of which have helped the blacks improve. What works is education and WORK. With the left, including Obama, it’s about power,
‘You people’ (I loved Perot) are so strange. The 1930’s social programs were mostly WORK projects. I live a couple blocks from a PWA high school (renovated recently) that sits next to a Carnegie Center that the government and the Carnegie family used to get people back to WORK.
Obama says he wants to give $4k a year to students if they WORK for it.
‘You people’ (I loved Perot) are so strange. The 1930’s social programs were mostly WORK projects. I live a couple blocks from a PWA high school (renovated recently) that sits next to a Carnegie Center that the government and the Carnegie family used to get people back to WORK.
Obama says he wants to give $4k a year to students if they WORK for it.
Unemployment in the Great Depression was something like 25%. Today, even with the current economic ‘slowdown’ (which the Dems desperately want to call a ‘recession’), unemployment is under 5%, traditionally full employment.
There are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to work, and plenty of education, too, for those willing to learn. Where there is a will, there’s a way.
