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Tuesday - 20 March 2008 08:36 PM

Best of both worlds, eh, TL?

I wish!  Read “Dreams From My Father”, and you get a good idea of how tough it is to be half-white/half-black in this country.

As Obama puts it, he actually considered himself “white” in most respects growing up, except that everyone else considered him “black”.  Pretty confusing stuff. 

Oh, and also your dad’s Kenyan, and your mom’s Kansan, and she takes you off to live in Indonesia for part of your childhood, while she’s at it.  Thanks, Mom!

willem - 20 March 2008 07:17 PM

Someone needs to ask Obama, “How many drops of what blood makes you what race?”

Willem, I thought your post was very good.

If you look at me, you would probably say I’m white (white skin, blond hare, blue eyes).  Yet sometimes when I fill out forms, if the form has a category for race, I check the box that says “black”.  Perhaps in doing so, I may get some special advantage.  Am I blaok?  Well, I don’t know.  What is the definition of black?  Is there some official criteria to qualify?  I think that for most forms, you can check black if you wish to consider yourself black.  This goes for other race choices as well.  Is there any legal problem with this?  I can’t see one.  Can someone legally challenge me on this?  Is there a legal definition of black?

Obama and some of his close associates seem to be very hung up on race.  It’s too bad.  For me, this, among other things, makes him a bad choice for president.

Enough, already! The mask has been removed! Surprise, surprise!

The plain truth is that B. Hussein Obama’s thinking is no different than his “soul-mate” Michelle-my-belle or his “spiritual master” Jeremiad Wright.  Obama and his “Audacity of Hate” is now exposed for even the most dense to recognize. It is surprising (then again, knowing people as they are, maybe not surprising at all) that there are any left among us who haven’t yet learned that today’s candidates (of both parties) are ALL false faces foisted on us by “professional” political machines employing the worst tactics of the Josef Goebbels Propaganda School. This election cycle has become a textbook study of Soviet-style disinformation campaigns. None of these charlatans are to be believed in anything that they say (other than to obscure their absolute worst motives). We all are witnessing nothing less than “The Big Lie” writ large. A vote for any of these monsters (Obama, Clinton, McCain) is a total and complete exercise in futility.

Miss Orange - 20 March 2008 08:39 PM

>>I predict if Obama isn’t elected, things are going to get ugly. It will be because of Democrats but I am certain somehow I’ll be blamed again.


I’m thinking it may precipitate the discussion Obama was too gutless to have: the one about guilt for Whites and subsidized underachievement for Blacks, and the hyperconsciousness of race—Morgan Freeman famously called for everyone to quit making an issue of an individual’s race, to little avail. We on the right have been on this for ages; the talking points and studies are in the can and ready to go. If some damn “March for Racial Harmony” occurs near me, I’m going to paint a sign that says “I’m Not Guilty” and go.

Dear Miss Orange,

Concerning guilt, you are correct. A guilt-trip is a package delivered; you don’t have to sign for it.

Pongo - 20 March 2008 08:42 PM

POP:  I assume that you know I meant no disrespect.

The thought never crossed my mind, Pongo.  I felt bad about stepping on your argument a little, since I meant something a little different than what you were talking about.

If someone spoke to me, as sometimes happens, of a “typical Jew,” I’d be offended, although I’m not sure what a typical Jew would look or act like.

It depends on the intonation, really.  But whenever someone wants to know a Jewish point of view, I offer myself as one having a typical Jewish attitude about most things.  When I’m out of the states I offer the same for those who want to know what a typical American view would be.  I used to say that all the time, trying to explain to foreigners (I was in Israel for a while and ran into a whole bunch of different folks) the difference between how Americans think and how others think.  I ran into a few people who tried to “offend” me by calling me a “typical American” but I smiled and said, “Yes, I am,” and I then launched into an explanation of what that meant and why that was something that I was proud of.

In some places, among some people, “typical Jew” means a large nosed, money grubber—that’s offensive.

Kind of, but not too much - not to me, at least.  I’m a “sticks and stones” type.  That sort of stuff never really bothered me.  I like to keep the right to dislike whomever I choose, for whatever reason, so I extend the same to others and don’t get exercised about any of it.  If I thought someone didn’t want to talk to me I just talked to someone else.  If they don’t want me at their club (which I don’t mind) then I look elsewhere. 

The big-nosed stereotype has pretty much been taken care of by plastic surgery, which is interesting - though I still have mine.

People have just gotten way too touchy these days.  They want to be loved and respected by all, just for being alive.  I don’t adhere to that and I don’t demand that anyone else does.  People must earn respect, to my mind.

I was offended, however, by Michelle Obama’s denigration fo the US.  That seemed to ungrateful and nasty and stupid - though it was obviously not directed at me.  I guess you could say that I was intellectually offended by it.  That she couldn’t recognize the greatest and freest nation that has ever existed on Earth was just mind-boggling and made me certain that I didn’t want her anywhere near the White House.  But that other stuff doesn’t bother me at all.

I understand what you meant in your example, Pongo, but I truly think that only people who would be offended by being called a “typical X” are those who don’t like being an X or those who misinterpret “typical” for average.

Obama’s mistake, by my reckoning, was not in calling her a typical white person, but in what he ascribed to the typical white person.  That didn’t bother me, since he was just incorrect.

postBot - 20 March 2008 03:28 PM

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Wow nothing like a bunch of white folks getting together and talking about how that black traitor / racist OB is gettin them down. How dare that upitty and you know what’s next, say what he says in polite company.

Well the extreme right has been trying to play this card since Limbaugh pulled it out of his draft avoiding ass and no ones buying it.

I sit here and read this crap you post then I look at my dear wife, who is a person of color, and man do we have a good laugh. You have no idea what you are talking about. Repeat that to yourselves “YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT”.

If you are a person of color (black is so yesterday) then hey talk away. If you are not then let me you that:

After 9/11 my wife would get on the bus to go to work and people would move away from her.

We have walked down the street and numerous times have heard:

“Go back to your home country”
“Hey nigger hahaha”

Our son was with us both times. It was a ton of fun family.

Am I pissed....nope...does my wife take advantage of afirmative action....nope....do we get any government help....nope.

Are we the freeloading....victim claiming black family you so casually throw around here as a sterotypical amos and andy....SADLY NO

So when OB states that his life was what it was I look at my son and man do I agree.

You have your silly little baptist preachers blaming every ill on the gayz, the liberalz...how 9/11 was all their fault and that’s O.K.

But you don’t ever dare mention that up until a few decades ago a black man couldn’t even drink from the same water fountain/ sit at the front of a bus/ learn in the same school as everyone else.

That’s so yesterday.....forget about it....it’s all different now....now YOU, yes YOU, mr black man are the racist attacking us poor white folks

Pitiful.

I am appalled at most of the responses I have read on this forum regarding Obama’s reference to his grandmother as a “typical white person”.  He was trying to make the point that many black and white Americans have been hurt by the negative impact of racism.  He seemed to do this in a very balanced way.

I have read a number of posts for this topic title and I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that many African Americans that lived during Reverend Wright’s time have experienced the brutal impact of separate but equal treatment (i.e.-segregated everything).  I do not think that the African American community wants to lash out at and punish White Americans.  Nor do I believe that Black Americans should have to remain silent and ignore their historical experiences.

Harry91 - 20 March 2008 10:11 PM

You have your silly little baptist preachers blaming every ill on the gayz, the liberalz...how 9/11 was all their fault and that’s O.K.

But you don’t ever dare mention that up until a few decades ago a black man couldn’t even drink from the same water fountain/ sit at the front of a bus/ learn in the same school as everyone else.

.

It’s all most blacks on television ever talk about, day in, day out.  It’s a constant, unending guilt parade.  You’re going to have to let it go someday.

I heard very few whites defending Falwell and Robertson, but I’m sure that you, like Obama, are the expert on the “typical white person,” so I’ll defer to you.

Gilbert - 20 March 2008 10:18 PM

I have read a number of posts for this topic title and I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that many African Americans that lived during Reverend Wright’s time have experienced the brutal impact of separate but equal treatment (i.e.-segregated everything).  I do not think that the African American community wants to lash out at and punish White Americans.  Nor do I believe that Black Americans should have to remain silent and ignore their historical experiences.

How could we not acknowledge it, you throw it in our faces every opportunity you get. Of course it was wrong, but what’s the point of wallowing in it decades later?  You act like you are the only people in the world who ever have been subjected to evil by another group of people.

What a joke when we hear how “forgiving” black churches are.  Wright wasn’t preaching forgiveness, he was preaching blind hatred and his audience was lapping it up.  If you don’t call that lashing out, I don’t know what you would call it.  Do you think the government invented AIDS to kill black people?  Stop this nonsense if you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously.

Blacks elevate Jeremiah Wright and his ilk to positions of power and prominence in their communities and expect to be taken seriously?  No, forget it.  You can’t “dialog” with people like that, the black versions of David Duke.  Duke is a bad man, so is Rev. Wright.  I have no “tolerance” for either man.

Gilbert - 20 March 2008 10:18 PM

I am appalled at most of the responses I have read on this forum regarding Obama’s reference to his grandmother as a “typical white person”.  He was trying to make the point that many black and white Americans have been hurt by the negative impact of racism.  He seemed to do this in a very balanced way.

I have read a number of posts for this topic title and I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that many African Americans that lived during Reverend Wright’s time have experienced the brutal impact of separate but equal treatment (i.e.-segregated everything).  I do not think that the African American community wants to lash out at and punish White Americans.  Nor do I believe that Black Americans should have to remain silent and ignore their historical experiences.

Well you won’t get that here. I agree with you, everytime I look at my “mixed (whatever that means) son.” And you are right there is not a feeling of exclusion in the non-white community only a want to be included.

They have the same issues most have...inflation...job security...health care....that every one has.

However all I have read here is how “whitey” has felt racially offended. They have easily taken the role of victim and it’s a real laugh.

Enjoy it....it’s the last gasp of the racial attitude that pervades the darker side of the republican party, and many are turning away.

Harry91 - 20 March 2008 10:26 PM

Gilbert - 20 March 2008 10:18 PM

I am appalled at most of the responses I have read on this forum regarding Obama’s reference to his grandmother as a “typical white person”.  He was trying to make the point that many black and white Americans have been hurt by the negative impact of racism.  He seemed to do this in a very balanced way.

I have read a number of posts for this topic title and I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that many African Americans that lived during Reverend Wright’s time have experienced the brutal impact of separate but equal treatment (i.e.-segregated everything).  I do not think that the African American community wants to lash out at and punish White Americans.  Nor do I believe that Black Americans should have to remain silent and ignore their historical experiences.

Well you won’t get that here. I agree with you, everytime I look at my “mixed (whatever that means) son.” And you are right there is not a feeling of exclusion in the non-white community only a want to be included.

They have the same issues most have...inflation...job security...health care....that every one has.

However all I have read here is how “whitey” has felt racially offended. They have easily taken the role of victim and it’s a real laugh.

Enjoy it....it’s the last gasp of the racial attitude that pervades the darker side of the republican party, and many are turning away.

Yeah, check out Hillary’s and Obama’s relative poll numbers lately, it’s Obama’s white democratic supporters who are going away.

The problem of race is never going away as long as the Wrights of the world are being indulged.  They live off keeping the race issue alive.

Cast out the Wrights and then we can get somewhere.

Pagliacci - 20 March 2008 10:25 PM

Gilbert - 20 March 2008 10:18 PM

I have read a number of posts for this topic title and I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the fact that many African Americans that lived during Reverend Wright’s time have experienced the brutal impact of separate but equal treatment (i.e.-segregated everything).  I do not think that the African American community wants to lash out at and punish White Americans.  Nor do I believe that Black Americans should have to remain silent and ignore their historical experiences.

How could we not acknowledge it, you throw it in our faces every opportunity you get. Of course it was wrong, but what’s the point of wallowing in it decades later?

What a joke when we hear how “forgiving” black churces are.  Wright wasn’t preaching forgiveness, he was preaching blind hatred and his audience was lapping it up.  If you don’t call that lashing out, I don’t know what you would call it.  Do you think the government invented AIDS to kill black people.  Stop this nonsense if you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously.

You elevate Jeremiah Wright and his ilk to positions of power and prominence and you expect to be taken seriously?  No.

But he only said what most baptist preachers have been saying forever. On the right preachers have blamed AIDS, 9/11 on liberalz and gayz and not a word was said.

Bob Jones University was actively courted by numerous Republican Presidential Candidates and we all know what their racial attitude was / is.

Let’s talk about JM’s support for Pastor Hagee and his statements.

It all comes down to the fact that he is BLACK and those BLACK people they got upitty. How dare that man run for president.....it screams racism as you do not denounce others (white people) who have said the same thing.

This strikes me as typical liberal group identity politics.  Whites think one way, blacks think another way.

What is interesting is, I think of my own mother.  She would never think negatively of any black, and is a lifelong Republican (formed by her perception as a WW2 era teenager that FDR was becoming a dictator, despite the fact her mother was a lifelong Democrat).  But she is not naive, as she can be pretty damn judgmental of those close to her.

Now myself, I fall into Obama’s stereotype.  But I am also a skeptic of everything (makes me wonder if I actually from Missouri).  So I understand what Obama is saying.

Anyway, Obama should not have used the word “typical”.  Coolwalkingsmoothtalkingstraightsmokingfirestoking Obama should have said something along the lines of “like many white people of her generation ... “.

The gild is coming off of Obama.

pikkumatti - 20 March 2008 09:08 PM

bitwize - 20 March 2008 04:54 PM

Though I disagree with the approach either way, it is more acceptable for the powerless to make broad-brush generalizations about the powerful than the other way around.

Powerless?  The man is a United States Senator, and a leading contender for the Presidency.  Talking about the rest of us.  Give me a break.

And besides, on what basis does BHO figure out just what a “typical white person” is thinking, anyway?  Sounds to me like someone is working from stereotypes and assumptions.  Unless Rev. Wright told him what typical white people think.

I wonder if Obama thinks the “typical black person” believes Wright’s spewings.  It would be interesting to hear from the would-be Race Pope.

I’ll admit it’s not altogether a stretch to think white people fear black crime, they have ample reason to feel that way.  And black people have even more reason that white people to fear black crime, because they are the primary targets of it.

magellan - 20 March 2008 10:35 PM

This strikes me as typical liberal group identity politics.  Whites think one way, blacks think another way.

What is interesting is, I think of my own mother.  She would never think negatively of any black, and is a lifelong Republican (formed by her perception as a WW2 era teenager that FDR was becoming a dictator, despite the fact her mother was a lifelong Democrat).  But she is not naive, as she can be pretty damn judgmental of those close to her.

Now myself, I fall into Obama’s stereotype.  But I am also a skeptic of everything (makes me wonder if I actually from Missouri).  So I understand what Obama is saying.

Anyway, Obama should not have used the word “typical”.  Coolwalkingsmoothtalkingstraightsmokingfirestoking Obama should have said something along the lines of “like many white people of her generation ... “.

The gild is coming off of Obama.

No the “gild” comes off the the idiot who thinks:

Coolwalkingsmoothtalkingstraightsmokingfirestoking Obama