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Keillor’s deep thoughts on subprime mortgages explained
Posted: 01 December 2007 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 16 ]

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This “persecuted conservative underground” schtick has been out of date since around 1980.

true, vlad, but because the persecution was successful.

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Posted: 01 December 2007 07:31 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 17 ]

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JentheNeoCon - 01 December 2007 06:04 PM

His radio show has never even been funny, so he fails at that, too.

Yet, it’s still going strong after 30 years and was recently the subject of an acclaimed film by Robert Altman.  So a couple of people must find it funny.  A couple of people who have actually listened to the show.  Ahem.

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Posted: 01 December 2007 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 18 ]

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F. Scott Fitzgerald - 01 December 2007 07:31 PM

Yet, it’s still going strong after 30 years and was recently the subject of an acclaimed film by Robert Altman.  So a couple of people must find it funny.  A couple of people who have actually listened to the show.  Ahem.

Well, a couple a people vote DemocRat, too, and believe that Bush staged the 9/11 attacks and that we faked the moon landings and that there are aliens at Area 51.
There’s the law of averages, which says that you’re going to have x-number of people who are idiots, crackpots and morons.
Ahem.

Re: “Acclaimed film by Robert Altman?” I don’t think even the most die-hard Keillor fan would go that far.

 
 
Posted: 01 December 2007 07:51 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 19 ]

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Howard Stern’s audience is multiple times larger than Keillor’s and at least he doesn’t pretend to be some sort of sage statesman

I presume them Stern is more influential and funnier since his fringe audience is larger

 
 
Posted: 01 December 2007 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 20 ]

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TwinCitiesJim - 01 December 2007 06:13 PM

Funny thing, I sit in wonder at the story of Garrison Keillor, living the life of the rich and privileged - much of it provided by public broadcasting funds, which has as its source the taxes paid by the very Americans whose middle and lower class incomes he pretends to care about.

Unlike executives who work in the competitive economy and subject to the requirements for disclosure of their income, those who siphon from public coffers have many ways to hide and disguise the generosity of payments through public broadcasting.  Surely, more dough than the plodders and pluggers like the rest of us could ever grasp. 

I myself would never invest my time reading anything from a guy named Garrison.  The very sound suggests Upper East Side snobbery. What kind of name is that, anyway?  Elitists?  Pompous?  Self-absorbed?  A man who goes by Garrison is likely to wear glasses on the bridge of his nose and Johnson Murphy loafers, smoke European cigarettes – albeit only in the company of those with equal or greater SAT scores – and has a fetish for disheveled hair.  Nonetheless, an army of thoughtless automatons routinely laugh and applaud as he holds up for ridicule the heritage and religious practices of Lutherans and small town Americans everywhere – a template that would bring charges of insensitivity to racism were it focused on any other group in America.

According to Gary Gilson, of the Minnesota News Council who claims to have been a classmate of Keillor many years ago, the angry red writer was simply known by one and all as just another Gary.  But that was then and this is now. 

Perhaps it was necessary to invoke the pomposity of such a formal moniker in order to suggest a pedigree not otherwise obvious for a man born in Anoka, Minnesota.  I’d love to have seen the looks on the faces of his high brow Central Park neighbors when they found out that quaint home town was but blocks north of Coon Rapids.  Or, perhaps the perception of dignity thought to accrue from such a formal name as Garrison is intended to distract from the less than dignified habit of taking vows of faithfulness for better or for worse until death do us part – to more than just one women before any such parting takes place.  For those simple folk from Lake Wobegon, it must be a real challenge keeping track of which woman is the current occupant.

It’s what makes people see the real-life man from the make believe town as a buffoon.  He’s no more a buffoon than Al Franken, Bill Moyers, or Bob of Baghdad.  He saw an opportunity to make lots of dough from taxpayer funded public broadcasting and its Democratic supporters in congress, sheltered from the accountability that comes from working in the competitive marketplace, and Lord only knows what promises made in the exchange.  Now, as for decades, it’s the taxpayers left holding the bag.

brilliant!

 
 
Posted: 01 December 2007 08:19 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 21 ]

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I used to listen to his show - because I like a lot of the music.  Interesting music is the big gooey piece of cheese wrapped in crispy bacon that sits athwart the trigger of the NPR rat trap.  But life is too short to put up with lefty pablum in exchange for Andy Stein on fiddle and saxophone.  I buy a few CD’s and a couple lbs of bacon and swiss.  It’s all gouda.

 
 
Posted: 01 December 2007 09:20 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 22 ]

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TwinCitiesJim - 01 December 2007 06:13 PM

Funny thing, I sit in wonder at the story of Garrison Keillor, living the life of the rich and privileged - much of it provided by public broadcasting funds, which has as its source the taxes paid by the very Americans whose middle and lower class incomes he pretends to care about.

Unlike executives who work in the competitive economy and subject to the requirements for disclosure of their income, those who siphon from public coffers have many ways to hide and disguise the generosity of payments through public broadcasting.  Surely, more dough than the plodders and pluggers like the rest of us could ever grasp. 

I myself would never invest my time reading anything from a guy named Garrison.  The very sound suggests Upper East Side snobbery. What kind of name is that, anyway?  Elitists?  Pompous?  Self-absorbed?  A man who goes by Garrison is likely to wear glasses on the bridge of his nose and Johnson Murphy loafers, smoke European cigarettes – albeit only in the company of those with equal or greater SAT scores – and has a fetish for disheveled hair.  Nonetheless, an army of thoughtless automatons routinely laugh and applaud as he holds up for ridicule the heritage and religious practices of Lutherans and small town Americans everywhere – a template that would bring charges of insensitivity to racism were it focused on any other group in America.

According to Gary Gilson, of the Minnesota News Council who claims to have been a classmate of Keillor many years ago, the angry red writer was simply known by one and all as just another Gary.  But that was then and this is now. 

Perhaps it was necessary to invoke the pomposity of such a formal moniker in order to suggest a pedigree not otherwise obvious for a man born in Anoka, Minnesota.  I’d love to have seen the looks on the faces of his high brow Central Park neighbors when they found out that quaint home town was but blocks north of Coon Rapids.  Or, perhaps the perception of dignity thought to accrue from such a formal name as Garrison is intended to distract from the less than dignified habit of taking vows of faithfulness for better or for worse until death do us part – to more than just one women before any such parting takes place.  For those simple folk from Lake Wobegon, it must be a real challenge keeping track of which woman is the current occupant.

It’s what makes people see the real-life man from the make believe town as a buffoon.  He’s no more a buffoon than Al Franken, Bill Moyers, or Bob of Baghdad.  He saw an opportunity to make lots of dough from taxpayer funded public broadcasting and its Democratic supporters in congress, sheltered from the accountability that comes from working in the competitive marketplace, and Lord only knows what promises made in the exchange.  Now, as for decades, it’s the taxpayers left holding the bag.

 
 
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This is the most apt and accurate definition of the pompous ass that is G. Keillor

 
 
Posted: 01 December 2007 10:44 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 24 ]

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Patrick n ABQ - 01 December 2007 01:55 PM

skipsailing - 01 December 2007 01:38 PM
So I should assume that you’re a fan of W. Lance Anderson?

Undisguised snark. How pitiful.

I dunno about W. Lance Anderson but I am a HUGE fan of Novastar. They took a chance on me when few others would. I am a subprime success story. And it think that’s the real issue with the left and the mortgage issue.

Many of us got a shot at a better future without the intervention of the government and liberals hate that.

I bought a house that had been empty for a year. I paid 36,000 for it and my neighbors love it. Instead of a broken down eyesore they have another nice home on the way. Without Novastar none of this was possible.

So spare us the snark pattie.

Your personal story is nice. Thanks for sharing. You should keep in mind that it was Bill Clinton who suggested that it should be made easier for people like you to get into a house.

But remember “the smartest guys in the room”? Many of them are in the clink now and that’s a good thing. If there are such guys involved in the subprime mess, then it would be good if they too went to the slammer.

Why?  Did they break a law?  When last I checked it isn’t illegal to make money or to tick off liberals.  We’re on the other end of the spectrum from Skip.  We could barely afford our first home but we absolutely insisted on a fixed rate mortgage because we knew exactly what we could afford and didn’t want it to change.  Thus, we paid a higher interest rate and more fees for that.  Somehow having the government intervene to save people who made a decision to get a great short term gain seems unjust to me.  Is the next big plan to run through Vegas with tax dollars and give back money to folks who lose?  Cause they’re just too dumb to know better?  They only figured they could win?

 
 
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TwinCitiesJim - 01 December 2007 06:13 PM
Funny thing, I sit in wonder at the story of Garrison Keillor, living the life of the rich and privileged - much of it provided by public broadcasting funds, which has as its source the taxes paid by the very Americans whose middle and lower class incomes he pretends to care about.

It’s what makes people see the real-life man from the make believe town as a buffoon.  He’s no more a buffoon than Al Franken, Bill Moyers, or Bob of Baghdad.  He saw an opportunity to make lots of dough from taxpayer funded public broadcasting and its Democratic supporters in congress, sheltered from the accountability that comes from working in the competitive marketplace, and Lord only knows what promises made in the exchange.  Now, as for decades, it’s the taxpayers left holding the bag.

brilliant!

DITTO!!!!

 
 
Posted: 02 December 2007 12:31 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 26 ]

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vladimir estragon - 01 December 2007 03:43 PM

A thoroughgoing liberalism rules the Minneapolis Star Tribune from stem to stern with the exception of metro columnist Katherine Kersten—and one columnist who has asked us to protect his or her identity.

You guys really need to get over yourselves.

This “persecuted conservative underground” schtick has been out of date since around 1980.

Is it just my impression or do you not really discuss the substance of anything much but generally try to critique the conservative mindset?

So what part exactly of the quoted sentence do you disagree with - the part about “A thoroughgoing liberalism rules the Minneapolis Star Tribune from stem to stern with the exception of metro columnist Katherine Kersten” or “and one columnist who has asked us to protect his or her identity”.

 
 
Posted: 02 December 2007 12:34 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 27 ]

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vladimir estragon - 01 December 2007 03:43 PM

A thoroughgoing liberalism rules the Minneapolis Star Tribune from stem to stern with the exception of metro columnist Katherine Kersten—and one columnist who has asked us to protect his or her identity.

You guys really need to get over yourselves. This “persecuted conservative underground” schtick has been out of date since around 1980.

Schtick? What Schtick… the media is biased. Terribly so. Study after study after study reinforces that fact.

Just like so many reports before it, a joint survey by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and Harvard’s Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy — hardly a bastion of conservative orthodoxy — found that in covering the current presidential race, the media are sympathetic to Democrats and hostile to Republicans.

Democrats are not only favored in the tone of the coverage. They get more coverage period. This is particularly evident on morning news shows, which “produced almost twice as many stories (51% to 27%) focused on Democratic candidates than on Republicans.”

The most flagrant bias, however, was found in newspapers. In reviewing front-page coverage in 11 newspapers, the study found the tone positive in nearly six times as many stories about Democrats as it was negative.

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“Which brings us to a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives want the freedom to pursue happiness on their own terms. Liberals think they have a right to happiness and that it should be delivered, like a pizza.”
- The “Anti-Keillor”

“(Al Gore) is the climatological equivalent of the imam that tells others to go commit suicide bombings. ”
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Posted: 02 December 2007 01:09 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 28 ]

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The article states:

Presumably, liberals have a solution to the “mortgage crisis,” if you define a situation involving about 0.5% of mortgages nationwide as a crisis.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/12/019162.php

Not sure if this mischaracterization is out of ignorance, or malice, but it is a bogus statement to compare the number of subprime mortgages to all US mortgages in existence.

What you should be looking at is the number of subprime mortgages in a given year—say 2005 or 2006, as this Fortune magazine article from March 2007 illustrates:

Last year, 13.5 percent of mortgages originated in the US were subprime, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, compared to 2.6 percent in 2000. Overall, the subprime market was $600 billion in 2006, 20 percent of the $3 trillion mortgage market, according to Inside Mortgage Finance. In 2001, subprime loans made ups just 5.6 percent of mortgage dollars.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/28/magazines/fortune/subprime.fortune/index.htm

We are indeed facing a mortgage crisis (and it’s not a liberal or conservative issue, it’s simply a fact).

That said, no politician should reward those who took out risky mortgages with a taxpayer-funded bailout.  Let them foreclose.

People got stupid—they had visions of dancing dollar signs in their heads, failing to see the speculative bubble for what it was:
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In summer 2005: pop.  The housing bust will continue to unfold for years, and hopefully our financial system can handle what is coming.

 
 
Posted: 02 December 2007 01:41 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 29 ]

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high housing prices are a worldwide phenomema

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_property_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_property_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_property_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_property_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_property_bubble

I’m sure NPR will blame all this on George W. Bush

 
 
Posted: 02 December 2007 01:41 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 30 ]

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TwinCitiesJim - 01 December 2007 06:13 PM

He saw an opportunity to make lots of dough from taxpayer funded public broadcasting and its Democratic supporters in congress, sheltered from the accountability that comes from working in the competitive marketplace, and Lord only knows what promises made in the exchange.  Now, as for decades, it’s the taxpayers left holding the bag.

Gee, if you’re going to throw out accusations like that, you might consider stopping to get your facts straight.  Of course, that wouldn’t support your smarmy criticism of Garrison Keillor and public broadcasting.

Minnesota Public Radio is part of American Public Media.  It’s a $65 million a year operation, of which only about 10% comes from “governmental agencies.” (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/about/mpr/finance/financials_2006.pdf)

In fact, a good chunk of MPR/APM’s income derives from—brace yourself—syndication of the Peabody award-winng “A Prairie Home Companion,” including—brace yourself again—the sale of related goods.  O Capitalism, my Capitalism!  How free market and conservative!  Adam Smith would be proud.

Public broadcasting “sheltered from the accountability that comes from working in the competitive marketplace”?  Hardly.  Start by reading MRP/APM’s 2006 financial report, cited above.  Then maybe check out its IRS Form 990 on http://www.guidestar.org.  Then think before your writing inflammatory nonsense like, “and Lord only knows what promises made in the exchange.”

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