I have supported president Bush for 6 years. if this passes I can no longer. I also can’t support his stand on the two border guards in prison for doing there job. After watching the Glenn Beck show last night on “liberal media” CNN interview that scum attorney general, I find this whole thing stinks. I believe I was swindled all along with Bush 2. Bush is no conservative and he is no president of mine. But, hell will freeze over before i vote for a democrat.
Why in the hell is Ted “murder a girl with my car and get away with it drunk” Kennedy still in office.
I have supported president Bush for 6 years. if this passes I can no longer. I also can’t support his stand on the two border guards in prison for doing there job. After watching the Glenn Beck show last night on “liberal media” CNN interview that scum attorney general, I find this whole thing stinks. I believe I was swindled all along with Bush 2. Bush is no conservative and he is no president of mine. But, hell will freeze over before i vote for a democrat.
Why in the hell is Ted “murder a girl with my car and get away with it drunk” Kennedy still in office.
michael
The bill proposes 18,000 new border patrol agents...think there are 18,000 people out there willing to risk joining Compean and Ramos?
Romney is the only Republican front runner to come out strongly against this bill. Thank God someone out there gets it!
Cricket: The bill proposes 18,000 new border patrol agents...think there are 18,000 people out there willing to risk joining Compean and Ramos?
Wow, thats one hell of a good point. I am now of the belief, with the exception of the military, police & fire, this whole country is broken. Elect Shrillery and she’ll destroy those three institution in short order.
The local, county and state here in the once great state of MN are heading straight over a cliff. My city, St. Paul, Which after a huge prop tax increase is again 8.5 mill in the red. Crime is sky rocketing and they just spent 2.2 mill on astro-turf in a public park yet claim they can’t afford anymore cops.
My county, Ramsey, after the max prop tax increase just gave themselves a 33% raise to $80 grand per for a part time job. The libs who run the State are trying to raise 6.5 billion in taxes on a 30 bil budget, all regressive even though we have a 3 billion surplus for about a 33% increase in spending.
This is NOT the time to abandon the GOP; it is time to take it back! We do that by assuring EVERY RINO who votes for this immigration disaster has a strong primary opponent- or even a weak primary opponent.
I love Same Johnson dearly; he’s a strong conservative on nearly everything. However, if he votes to assure 12 million illegals are granted amnesty, assuring at least 20-30 million more trying to cross the border over the next 5 years to get in on the next pass, he WILL have a primary opponent. Even if it’s just me.
I do not at present entirely understand what is animating all of the angst over illegal immigration,
CharlesMartel Posted: 19 May 2007 08:30 PM [ ] [ # 28 ]{frate:pform id="81824"}
Exhibit A: Los Angeles (and Phoenix, Denver, D.C.). Imagine every city having commutes like that.
Exhibit B: Simple math. 2 million immigrants a year (plus extra births) times 100 years = 300 million new people due to immigration alone.
Exhibit C: India. The labor surplus there has done them no favors. It’s not popular to say this, I know, but there are practical limits to how many people a piece of land can comfortably hold.
Exhibit D: The American Southwest. It’s an arid climate here, and how much water we’ll have is always an open question.
Exhibit E: Many groups DON’T assimilate. How well are blacks assimilating? Everywhere you look these days you see ethnic conflict. Money is a solvent, but only when there’s money around. If the money is ever interrupted, all hell breaks loose.
There is a world of difference between illegal immigration and the bill they are trying to cobble together.
The Democrats and the Pubbies are vying for twelve million new constituents to hell with any (rich, poor, black, or white) of the people.
If they really wanted to take a load off our backs, they could:
Cut off all dispensation, not some mellifluous verbiage, “just say no”, and see how many leave. Allow no sanctuary city’s and photo I.D. everyone, my state photo id’s drivers license and I assure you it is painless, and let police deal with the persons with no i.d. on a case by case basis.
How much money have we spent? None
How much money have we saved? Plenty
How many bureaucracies have we created? None
The Democrats and the Pubbies are vying for twelve million new constituents to hell with any (rich, poor, black, or white) of the people.
As far as I am concerned, the entire Congress - Senators and Representatives alike - have reduced themselves to total irrelevancy. They appear to be capable of accomplishing nothing more than holding press conferences, spending money like it was water and getting re-elected.
Romney is a phony who will say anything to get the republican base to support him. No one should mistake him for the real deal.
I’m not sure that I disagree with you. But an alternate view is that he’s more willing to listen to what the base wants, the base in America being substantially more conservative than that of Massachusetts.
I’ll vote for a potential phony long before I’ll vote for a man who will certainly enact all sorts of policies I opposett.
McCain is done. This isn’t about courage. It’s about corruption of our society. Bush, McCain and Kyle don’t get it. Romney and FDT do.
A tom, let me spell it out for you real quick. The average illegal alien once legal will pay about $10,000 in taxes but receive about $30,000 in social welfare per year. The estimate is that they will receive $500,000 in total benefits-including Medicaid and SS- in their life time Thats 2.5 trillion in Medicaid and SS alone, right at a time when both programs are about to head massively in the red. How would you guess we are going to pay for it?
We have spent decades trying to stave off illiteracy and poverty in this country. Now we are about to import 20 million of the worlds poorest and least educated. I could careless what color or nationality these illegals are. I don’t want a massive economically devastating tax increase because people won’t pay legal Americans a decent wage. Cut your own fricken grass.
Here, here! You have hit the nail on the head. I commend you.
This issue is not a right v left. This is about wealthy “slave lords” wanting to get their slaves in place to further stuff their coffers and to H___ with the rest of us.
Rush has said this bill may destroy the Repub base. I hope it won’t get to that point. The anger shown by many against this bill is entirely justified and then some. But where do we go from here, if we toss our Repub/Conservative leadership under the bus? Becoming Independents will marginalize us and turn over all elections in the foreseeable future to the Dems. The only tactic I see working is letting our representatives know our displeasure in overwhelming numbers: this is another Harriet Miers moment and this one is FAR more crucial.
Rush has said this bill may destroy the Repub base. I hope it won’t get to that point. The anger shown by many against this bill is entirely justified and then some. But where do we go from here, if we toss our Repub/Conservative leadership under the bus? Becoming Independents will marginalize us and turn over all elections in the foreseeable future to the Dems.
After being told for four long years that the first principles and values of conservatives must be compromised for the votes of independent voters, I figure that I’m about to move from being marginalized to being courted for my vote. After all, isn’t that part of the GOP argument for amnesty, they need the votes of independents to win? So, if I leave the party, I’m not the one who’ll be shoved to the sidelines; it’s going to be the Republican party and its grand poopah leadership who will become irrelevant to American politics if this bill is enacted.
Godandcountry - 20 May 2007 08:38 AM
The only tactic I see working is letting our representatives know our displeasure in overwhelming numbers: this is another Harriet Miers moment and this one is FAR more crucial.
I agree, hence my implacable opposition to “comprehensive reform.” I’ve swallowed for the last time; now it’s their turn and if they choke on it, oh well and not my problem. Better luck next time in 2012.
I don’t think the boys in Washington realize how angry and “pissed off” the electorate is over ILLEGAL immigration.
I was in California during the recall of Governor Gray Davis. Davis never got it. There was a huge grass roots anger. The professionals said he would never be booted out of office. It had never happened before (If I recall right, no pun intended). BUT, he was. The people decided.
I think the same thing is happening here. The people will vote for a man who takes a stand against illegal immigration. Hopefully, somebody will get it, before it’s too late.
Read “Mexifornia” by Victor Davis Hanson. It’s the best on this topic.
I think the same thing is happening here. The people will vote for a man who takes a stand against illegal immigration. Hopefully, somebody will get it, before it’s too late..
Romney gets it....from AP yesterday, in an article titled Mitt Romney Slams Immigration Plan:
The immigration compromise between key senators and the White House played strongly at the convention as more than 1,000 delegates and Republican activists gathered. Many in the crowd wore stickers with “Senate amnesty bill” crossed out.
They cheered as presidential candidate Romney told them: “One simple rule: No amnesty.”
During his speech and before his remarks, Romney said a proposed new visa for immigrants amounts to amnesty if it can be renewed indefinitely.
“If that’s not a form of amnesty, I don’t know what is,” Romney said.
The crowd booed South Carolina U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), a key ally of McCain in both his 2000 and 2008 presidential bids, when he said he had worked with U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., on the immigration legislation.
“It’s the best bill I think we can get to President Bush,” Graham said as some in the crowd shouted “No!”
Pilgrim - 20 May 2007 10:46 AM
Read “Mexifornia” by Victor Davis Hanson. It’s the best on this topic.
Victor Davis Hanson is the best on almost any topic! :-)
Godandcountry - 20 May 2007 08:38 AM
Rush has said this bill may destroy the Repub base. I hope it won’t get to that point.
Even if the Republican base stays solid as a rock, it will be a minority party in a very few years once the Dem’s ranks swell by 12 to 20 million (or more, once they bring in their families) new immigrant voters. We have to stand tough on this one, or there may not be a “next time.”
Rush has said this bill may destroy the Repub base. I hope it won’t get to that point. The anger shown by many against this bill is entirely justified and then some. But where do we go from here, if we toss our Repub/Conservative leadership under the bus? - godandcountry
Gasp, sneez, cough...Hahahahahahahahaha!
Sorry, that’s the only good answer. Where, pray tell, is this fabled “conservative” leadership? Have you even been paying attention?
Obviously, the question is “Are enough of us fed up to do any good?” The answer is that we’ll know long before the generals. We’ll know when/if lots of congresscritters who supported the amnesty get tossed out by primary challengers. If you don’t like amnesty, you need to support their campaigns. If they all survive the primaries, then this nation is toast and there’s nothing we can do. If you prefer to slink home to your plutocratic masters in the GOP while they continue to give our country away to the folks at CoC, and do nothing but talk about the social issues, then feel free to do so. I have no intention of doing so.
Godandcountry, thy name is Mitch McConnell. Are you posting here under an assumed identity, Mitch?
Becoming Independents will marginalize us and turn over all elections in the foreseeable future to the Dems.
Actually, there are a lot of Dems upset, too. Union members for one. In that party, they’re the red-headed stepchild. If a third party arises, I’m there. If not, I’m prepared to vote for some far right party, just to do my part to show how much demand there is for a legitimate third.
