Who are these people? I have never in my life met anyone, Republican or Democrat, who, whether rationally or irrationally, have held the belief “my country, right or wrong.â€
Good question. I have never met any either. It’s a take on the old anti-hippy slogan “America, love it or leave it”.
Those of us who survived the 60s and 70s (with minimal damage <chuckle> ) can see through these simplistic and false attributions.
Who are these people? I have never in my life met anyone, Republican or Democrat, who, whether rationally or irrationally, have held the belief “my country, right or wrong.â€
Good question. I have never met any either. It’s a take on the old anti-hippy slogan “America, take it or leave it”.
Those of us who survived the 60s and 70s (with minimal damage <chuckle> ) can see through these simplistic and false attributions.
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Rocket/Icarus/Charles - “my country right or wrong” is delightfully close to something the right does support,advocate and propagate - at least in regards to the Iraq war - “my president, right or wrong.”
Yet the right seems to resist those who criticize the president and his policies as treasonous.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So far no one could point to anything that wouldn’t be mainstream conservativism over here except for the Holocaust denial, which I pointed out.
His immigration policy sounds like it would be the same as mine would be for the U. S.
Someone mentioned mandatory military service as being extreme policy. I guess that you didn’t believe in drafting people for WW2. That was mandatory service whether you liked it or not unless one got a medical discharge.
About the arts - there has been some disgusting exhibitions in this country that is trash so yes censorship involving the arts where gov’t money is concerned is warranted. After all some of us in the GOP want to do away with PBS funding as well.
So can anyone point out multiple views that wouldn’t be mainstream conservatism over here?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.â€
President Theodore Roosevelt, 1912
Had Teddy said that in the context of a global WAR, he would not be as revered as he is today.
THAT is one area where you leftists fail to grasp the enormity of your petulance.
IF the country were to present a UNITED front in the battle against Islamic extremism, those punks who hide behind women and children might think twice. But noooooo ... Y’all just HAVE to feed right into their propaganda machine.
Congratz. America suffers while y’all pat yerselves on the back.
BTW based on this link, he had at least one left wing position or Pat Buchanan’s position on Iraq:
Support for Baghdad
Alone among major French politicians, Le Pen criticized allied policy in the Persian Gulf in 1990 and 1991, adopting an anti-Atlantist position that may represent the adjustment of this professional anti-communist to the end of the Cold War.
In 1996, Le Pen called for U.N. sanctions against Iraq to be lifted during a visit to Baghdad. “This visit comes within the framework of political moves to remove sanctions on the Iraqi people, silence on which has become a moral scandal due to the tragic situation emanating from their continuation,” Le Pen said. Le Pen met President Saddam Hussein and Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz during his visit and blamed the U.S. for the suffering of the Iraqi people. Le Pen met with Saddam on a trip to Baghdad in November 1990, during the Gulf War. Le Pen backed Saddam in the conflict and has since lobbied for the United Nations to lift its embargo on Iraq. Also on this excursion, Le Pen’s wife Jany presented Iraq’s health authorities with medical supplies and two ambulances.
Back in France, amidst a growing economic crisises, Le Pen surprised everyone when he received strong support in the first round of France’s presidential elections in 1996 by collecting 15 percent of the vote, his best showing in three tries for the presidency, on a campaign to expel France’s 3 million immigrants, which would mean expelling 1,000 people a day for seven years. The election placed The National Front as the third most popular party in France. Despite the strong showing, he had not exactly become mainstream. Opinion polls indicate 71 percent of the French consider his party “a threat to democracy,” and analysts place him on the right-wing fringe of the political spectrum. Despite his strong showing in 1996, he opted out of the presidential race in 1997.
Based on this I probably wouldn’t have voted for him. However, I would have sought someone out with some of his other positions.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.â€
President Theodore Roosevelt, 1912
Had Teddy said that in the context of a global WAR, he would not be as revered as he is today.
THAT is one area where you leftists fail to grasp the enormity of your petulance.
IF the country were to present a UNITED front in the battle against Islamic extremism, those punks who hide behind women and children might think twice. But noooooo ... Y’all just HAVE to feed right into their propaganda machine.
Congratz. America suffers while y’all pat yerselves on the back.
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Charles (btw- don’t you spew enough hate on LGF) - talk about petulance (what is about your need to always write in large and bold - do you have some sort of inferiority complex? are you making up for some other deficiency? have you been short changed?).
Context is important but so no more so then principle. Since we can’t know what he would have said today but did say in the run up to WW I, I will take the man at his principled word.
rocket: “this Holocaust crap - geeeeeeeeeeez people, get over it ... whiners ... not every decent country on the planet prostrates themselves before Jews”
Wow. Just wow.
Why are you holding back? Why don’t you tell us how you really feel about Jews?
rocket: “this Holocaust crap - geeeeeeeeeeez people, get over it ... whiners ... not every decent country on the planet prostrates themselves before Jews”
Wow. Just wow.
Why are you holding back? Why don’t you tell us how you really feel about Jews?
WOW ~ LOL ~ Just ~ LOL ~ WOW
One idiot thinks I’m a guy named “charles” and the other wants to paint me as an anti-Semite. Knock yerselves out, boys, the world goes on while whiners are left behind.
If America’s foreign policy revolves around revering Israel and cow-towing to its wimpy and unserious war machine (wehrmacht for you reichists) we are doomed to fail.
Those of you who believe that “Holocaust denial” is a genuine threat to mankind are so deluded there is no point in even addressing the issue. I mean who gives a damn what any foreign leader thinks about what happened during the 30s and 40s? What happened to “realism”? HUH? <chuckle>
Rocket - you are too funny - “some guy named charles” (particularly given your acknowledged respect of said “charles” ) that’s rich… Let me help you out Charles Johnson - LGF . It’s ok with me but you really should be more transparent with your readers - especially if you are going to troll this board.
btw - I would stick to the new age jazz - although, as a purveyor of hate, racism anti-semitism and the like you seem to have found a nice audience..congrats.
So far no one could point to anything that wouldn’t be mainstream conservativism over here except for the Holocaust denial, which I pointed out.
His immigration policy sounds like it would be the same as mine would be for the U. S.
Someone mentioned mandatory military service as being extreme policy. I guess that you didn’t believe in drafting people for WW2. That was mandatory service whether you liked it or not unless one got a medical discharge.
About the arts - there has been some disgusting exhibitions in this country that is trash so yes censorship involving the arts where gov’t money is concerned is warranted. After all some of us in the GOP want to do away with PBS funding as well.
So can anyone point out multiple views that wouldn’t be mainstream conservatism over here?
You didn’t say censorship of Government funded arts, you said censorship of the arts. Big difference. But I don’t think Gov’t funded arts should be censored either. Either fund or don’t fund the arts. Censorship is not mainstream in either case.
We had a draft up until 1972. We do not have one NOW. Support for a military draft NOW is small. It is not a mainstream conservative idea. There is wider support for a national service. Something like Americorp.
There’s nothing funny about the following words, which are yours, and which speak for themself:
this Holocaust crap
There was a new thread not too long ago asking the question why Jews tend to be Democrats (paraphrasing)....I think Right-Wing Rocket’s proclamation that the holocaust was crap might be one indication...is this the new Republican right - the right of Le Pen (9/11 was an “incident"): isolationist xenophobic. racist. anti-semitic. white.
That Big Tent is a bit smaller because of comments like Rocket’s.
Yep. I too believe le Pen to be more of a mainstream conservative with a bit of nationalism as a kicker - something Zee Fraunch need desperately if they are to survive.
And this Holocaust crap - geeeeeeeeeeez people, get over it. It is seen quite differently in Europe where they aren’t beat over the head with it every day - although that is changing. Believe it or not, not every decent country on the planet prostrates themselves before Jews. The French suffered immensely through TWO WORLD WARS. They are ENTITLED to be dismissive of whiners.
I’m sure the Holocaust is viewed differently in Europe, particularly France, where the general populace often aided and abetted the Nazis in locating and rounding up Jews to send to the extermination camps. I’m sure they prefer to deny the pervasive anti-semitism of their cultures that allowed them to play the roles of collaborators and enablers, especially in their treatment of those who survived the camps and returned home only to be murdered by their former neighbors. If I had that much blood on my hands, if I’d aided and abetted in the genocide of 5.5 million people, I’d want to deny it, too. However, the facts cannot be denied: France was and still is one of the most anti-semitic nations in Europe.
Vichy France under the odious Petain rounded up tens of thousands of French Jewish citizens for the Nazis. It was Frenchmen who built, manned, and operated the concentration camps within their territory until taken over by the Nazis on July 3, 1943. Drancy, in particular, is infamous in Holocaust history because of French collaboration in the location of Jewish children in an orphanage who were betrayed by the French and held at the camp until deported to Auschwitz where they were all murdered. Of the 65,000 people interned at Drancy, 63,000 were deported and gassed in the extermination camps of Poland, including 6,000 children.
From Wikipedia:
The camp at Drancy was in a multi-storey complex designed to hold 700 people, but at its peak in it held more than 7,000. There is documented evidence and testimony recounting the brutality of the French guards in Drancy and the brutal conditions imposed on the people including the small children who, upon their arrival, were immediately separated from their parents. It is to Drancy that SS First Lieutenant Klaus Barbie transported Jewish children that he captured in a raid of a children’s home, before deporting them to Auschwitz, where they were all killed.*
As much as I respect Mr. Johnson at LGF, I cannot pretend to be him.
<sigh>
It is instructive that some of the resident left-wing trolls equate me with him because they are also trying to shut down his blog. Yes, yes, I HAVE been keeping up with the anti-free speech Stalinists who are trying to shut him down. It hasn’t worked on him and it won’t work on me either. LOL
I guess I need to realllly dumb down my posts for the leftists who see anti-semites everywhere except at their bible - KosKiddies.
It is reliance on decades-old sad fact that I find counter-productive. But if that’s all you have, welcome to the ranks of the dreaded NEO-CONS! Yer good little Sturmtruppen.
You didn’t say censorship of Government funded arts, you said censorship of the arts
My link didn’t go into great detail into all the nuances that go into the policy.
EG. The link says that he favored the death penalty. Which type of crimes does he favor for the death penalty? Does a person convicted of a rape (or a jaywalker to make an extreme point on how the link dealt with this topic) deserve the death penalty since the link omitted this? So we just have to deal with what was put forth on the link and try to make it close to mainstream conservatism unless one can find detailed policy statements.
I am personally opposed to gov’t funding of the arts since I’m a free enterprise person with the law of supply and demand settling most of the economic issues for me.
