I love my news biased. Openly, brazenly. Left or Right, I don’t care. I love to see the spin and then take it apart logically.
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You can only be helped by examining as many legitimate and articulate points of view as possible.
Exactly. It’s somewhat strange for conservatives to demand that the NYT drop its bias. Why would neutrality, even if it were attainable, be desirable? I absolutely prefer getting my news from people who don’t try to hide their spin.
I love my news biased. Openly, brazenly. Left or Right, I don’t care. I love to see the spin and then take it apart logically.
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You can only be helped by examining as many legitimate and articulate points of view as possible.
Exactly. It’s somewhat strange for conservatives to demand that the NYT drop its bias. Why would neutrality, even if it were attainable, be desirable? I absolutely prefer getting my news from people who don’t try to hide their spin.
When the reporter slants the news to his agenda and does not acknowledge his bias, it’s a desservice to the public. If he is writing an op/ed, then he can go with gusto!
Doesn’t matter what you call it. It is what it is.
Most people don’t take the time to check the veracity of news stories. Most people don’t blog. Most people catch snippets of news stories as they go about their business of their daily lives. The MSM is uniquitous - airports, hotel lobbies, barber shops, shopping malls. If you listen to the radio on the way to work, every quarter hour there is a “news update” from the Associated Press or CNN. There is so much time to fill that “news” isn’t news anymore; it’s endlessly repetitive. The same news items cycle throughout the day, CNN parrots MSNBC who echoes CBS who copies ABC who refers to PBS that quote a NYT article that references an editorial in Newsweek.
Foxnews is a Trojan horse owned by Rupert Murdoch who backs Hillary Clinton for President. (Source: Wikipedia: Murdoch and Politics)
Who is “they” and how are they on the “fringe”? Do you mean the 31-35% who still think W is doing a good job or the other 2/3 of the country? There was certainly a point where the country was swinging conservative; Reagan was a hero and W had buckets of good will after 9/11 when everyone supported him, but that’s all lost.
Endless repetition of the theme “Bush lied, people died” by the liberal kook fringe and their willing accomplices in the MSM turned public opinion against the President and the Iraq War. The Democrat leadership used the Iraq War as a means to an end - the resumption of political power. Congratulations.
All of this nonsense about the media’s insidious plot to turn everyone into liberals is a distraction.
The MSM doesn’t want to turn everyone into liberals. The MSM wants to destroy Bush and move conservatism to the back of the bus. The goal is to put Liberals in the driver’s seat. After all, Liberals know what’s best for all of us, right?
If you see someone in the media saying something you disagree with then don’t ever watch them again. Or wait—here’s an idea: keep watching them and try to understand their point of view and see if there’s any common ground you can work with.
There is no common ground. That’s an illusion. When a conservative “compromises” with a liberal, it’s always the former that has to make concessions and the rest of us have to pay for it. KA-CHING!
I could hang out at DailyKos all day but it doesn’t teach me anything (other than the left fringe can be just as wacky as the right).
Spoken like a true seminar blogger.
I come here to try to find some honest debate from intelligent people who really want to save this country from the enemy.
We have been trying for over 5 years. The center of the Islamoterror War is currently in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pretty soon our troops will be forced to retreat from Iraq and the new Iranian-Syrian Alliance will swoop in to pick up the pieces and consolidate their hold on the country. Then the new phase in the Islamoterror War will begin. Your children and grandchildren will be forced to deal with it.
And by enemy I don’t mean the left, they are just Americans like you with a different way of achieving the same goals you have. I mean the real enemy—ignorant and rabid fundamentalists who want to destroy civilization.
No, these are not Americans “just like me.” I want the U.S. to prevail in Iraq. I want us to WIN. The Democrat leadership wants us to get out of Iraq as fast as we can arrange transportation for the troops. This is not a strategy for victory; this is a recipe for disaster.
Saying that Fox News tilts to the right because they don’t have the left’s equivalent
of Newt is ignorant.
There cannot be a left’s version of Newt. Newt argues his points with facts.
He does not operate under the assumption that white men are the oppressors
of the world, and all others are poor victims of their aggression. He doesn’t hide behind
symbols or emotionalism.
Legacy media commies assume the opposite. The reason that Fox doesn’t get your
heavy hitters like Ms. Clinton, is that they’re AFRAID TO BE INTERVIEWED BY FOX and refuse to apear on that network!
Can you imagine what CNN or PMSNBC would say about a candidate who refused to be interviewed
on THEIR networks? Conservatives appear on legacy media all the time, only to be met with a
vicious double-standard. Billy Clinton actually broke the liberal embargo against Fox, but that was
part of his plan to gain support of the kooks by attacking Chris Wallace.
I wonder what Chris Matthews would have done if Tom Tancredo started jabbing his leg
with his finger? I’d guess that he would sue for assault! “There is never a valid reason to invade another’s personal space!”.....bla bla bla.
Face it Dwight. The left has NO intellectual argument. As soon as a leftie meets a skilled
debator, they start the name-calling and grandstanding, looking around for support from
bystanders like they’re on Oprah!
Your clever attempts to pretend to be conservative are not quite good enough to keep me from seeing through however.
One thing I will never understand is liberal trolls that come on these sites to play mind games. Conservatives are, on average, more intelligent than liberals and can see through the deception.
Good luck with your psychological warfare though....
Awesome, Jaybo! Couldn’t have stated it better myself.
I’d support dumping the term “Mainstream Media” because it gives them the same benefit as calling them the “Majority.” IMO “Dinosaur Media” would be a better term because it suggests they are plodding, stupid, and ultimately destined for extinction.
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That’s a very good point, Tom. But MSM is in the lexicon now. Unlikely to change.
To those who claim that Fox is “right wing”, just ask yourselves how many times you’ve seen a MSM Sunday panel like the one Chris Wallace (who we now know is a registered Democrat) regularly hosts: two NPR heavies (Liasson and Williams), vs. two conservatives (Hume, who as a newsman does his best to be as fair and balanced as he can), and Kristol, who is unabashedly conserative.
Russert’s sunday panel invariably has two or three libs, and maybe one conservative. Russert serves up softballs to libs, and hardballs to conservatives. Chris Wallace, the Democrat, beats up on both--- as he did recently with Clinton and Kerry, and regularly does with McCain and other GOP leaders.
ABC’s Sunday show is a tad more balanced, in that it frequently has George Will and the hyper-realist Fareed Zakarhia to balance which ever libs Steph, himself, obviously partisan, puts on.
The nightly MSM programs offer virtually nothing that can be called conservative. Couric’s “free speech” segment seems to be going away—precisely because it gores too many liberal oxen.
CNN has......how many conservative commentators again? How about MSNBC? CBS......?
Then there’s the matter of news coverage: Fox covered the scandals involving DeLay, Foley and Abramoff. CNN went into radio silence when it came to Harry Reid’s land deals and his relationship with Abramoff, says virtually nothing about William Jefferson and his Frozen Graft Money, and is downplaying the Alcee Hasting debacle-in-the-making. Jamie Gorelick’s role in setting up the artifically high “Wall” that led to 9/11 was virtually ignored by the MSN and the NYT. Fox regularly gives both bad news and good about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars; CNN and the lamestream media have focused almost entirely on the negative.
For some twenty years I subscribed daily to the NYT. I’m down to the Sunday edition now, mainly for the book review and the crossword puzzle. Thanks to Fox and the “right wing” media I was able to see clearly how the Times shapes and distorts the news, and just plain IGNORES anything not fitting it agenda. They deserve to be where they are, which is “circling the bowl”.
When you read the following, you will understand why I say that the only cure for the MSM is to drive down their viewership numbers by boycotting them.
They are now working hard, trying to get you back again. Are you dumb enough to play along?
(from “Newsbusters")
“Well, in another post-election stunner, the Christian Science Monitor has chosen to share the truth with Americans, sadly almost two weeks after the nation went to the polls. In an article amazingly titled “A brisk rise in American wages; Pay rose faster than the cost of living for the first time in years†(h/t to Drudge), author Mark Trumbull wrote what many on the right have been claiming for quite some time:
American paychecks are rising again at a pace not seen since the 1990s.
The pay increase amounts to 4 percent on average over the past 12 months, and it comes at a very helpful time for millions of households.
Wait a minute. The press have been saying for years that wages are declining. How can this be? Trumbull continued:
Four percent may not sound like much, but you have to look back to 1997 to find a calendar year with a gain that big.
Equally significant, tamer energy prices mean that the “real” wage gains, after inflation, are above 3 percent for the past 12 months. That, too, hasn’t happened since the 1990s, even though the economy has been expanding over the past five years.
Wait a minute. Doesn’t this mean that wages are rising faster now than in the last three years under Clinton? Didn’t the media tell us that was the greatest economic period known to mankind?”
http://newsbusters.org/node/9180
You give it away there. If you take away the assumption “Anybody who works for NPR is a liberal,” you can see clearly that Maura Liasson and Juan Williams are two commentators who are clinging to the middle of the road.
And here is one of the serious problems with the mainsream media. It’s not that it’s too liberal, it’s that they routinely give us a middle of the road point of view, contrast it with a conservative point of view, and then proudly announce that they’ve presented a spectrum of opinion.
Chris Wallace may be a Democrat, but he’s hardly a “liberal,” same for Liasson and Williams. Certainly none of them is a committed and agressive ideologue like Bill Kristol.
One of the silly assumptions of those who complain about “liberal bias” is that viewers are somehow brainwashed by watching the news. Listen to Dan Rather long enough, and you’ll be a flag-waving socialist. (Me, if I listen to him for five minutes, I run screaming from the room.) If that were true, it’s difficult to understand how Ronald Reagan ever got elected, let alone having a Republican White House and Congress.
But what’s really happening is that the media are presenting a narrow slice of opinion and leading everyone to believe that that is the entire spectrum of thought. And that is something that the viewing public can come to accept and believe.
.. Maura Liasson and Juan Williams are two commentators who are clinging to the middle of the road.
Mara is pretending to cling, but Brit keeps her honest.
Juan is more interesting. His instincts have long been quite liberal, but increasingly on cultural issues he has been mugged by reality. He has a long way to go, but it’s entertaining to watch him drift slowly rightward.
We’ve got Fox (yes, I’ll admit they tilt to the right), we’ve got Rush and Laura and Hannity and Powerline and FR and LGF. We’ve got parts of the Post ...
Only about 10-15 percent of the electorate are reached regularly by these sources. The drive-by media still dominate.
And beware of the Democrats re-introducing the “Fairness Doctrine”, which could effectively shut down talk radio.
