Its not about a Palestinian state, Its about the destruction of Isreal, Nothing less then 0 destruction will ever make the average arab happy. What Ahdamnitjihad has been saying is what the arabs say behind closed doors and they have been taught every day of thier life, that as long as Isreal exists musliminia is threatened… Now that being typed~ offering palestinians hush money and reparations and a bus trip to yourop or whereever is a useless proposition.. These people have been convinced and brainwashed into strapping explosives on teenagers and women, you cant negotiate with
that kind of evil, it has to be defeated by a different song…
The melody of Enola Gay…
With all due respect to those who want to debate the historical origins of the problem and who is most entitled to live there, I just don’t think it is productive. You must understand that the solution to this problem does not lie in the past. A new way must be found. I’m suggesting the west buy peace with the Palestinians with money, one way or another. The alternative is more of what you are now seeing in Iraq and that which is envisioned by the leadership of Iran. If you have a better idea, let’s hear it.
I have a better idea. How about not giving the terrorists all the money they need to build more advanced weapons and then hoping they abide by their promises.
I have a better idea. How about not giving the terrorists all the money they need to build more advanced weapons and then hoping they abide by their promises.
This is the status quo and those who wish to destroy Israel already have sufficient means to acquire or develop nuclear weapons. If they don’t now, it’s just a matter of time. So basically you are choosing war which we already have. I would presume then that you are in favor of “upping the ante” in a military sense. That is certainly one way to go and in many respects, we have the advantage there. But, barring a nuclear attack on the US proper or Israel I don’t believe we have the political stomach for more war right now. I know that serious people are advocating we attack Iran, but this is just not going to happen unless they make a move. I would also remind you that one of potential benefits of going into Iraq was to help reduce the threat to Israel. If you see this strategy as working then you would surely want to go further in that direction. I say it has stopped working and will only be resurrected if we are attacked again.
A_Tom, the basic problem here is that any monetary or “real estate” solution to the problem would have to be enforced. Who is going to enforce it? You have already conceded that the deal would be unpopular internationally. What happens when the Palestinians decide to hop on a plane and head back home with their newfound cash? Do you seriously believe that the Europeans would try to stop them? Some would give lip-service to the idea that they must return the money for reneging on their agreement, but you’d have to be quite naive to believe that anything would actually be done about it.
Moreover, what about the Palestinians who don’t sign on? Even if 80% of the Palestinians took their money and left, that would leave 20% to stay and continue the Intifada. The hardcore that remained would be more bent on the destruction of Israel than ever. Their ranks would be swelled by terrorists from neighboring states, and eventually by their own children. We’d be back to square one, and out of a trillion dollars to boot.
There is really no such think as a Palestinian country - the Communists have been supporting this group for years! Let Israel deal with them and America should give Israel support but not interfere with their policy.
Tom, you ever read about someone who wins, say $250k in the lottery and a year later they’re broke?
What do you think the diaspored palestinians are going to look like after a couple of years living in other countries? No education, no trade, values and culture that puts them outside the mainstream of their host countries. Just a slug of money. Some will live frugally and survive off the interest, some will get educations. But most will self segregate, blow the money and end up back in exactly the same situation they’re in now - just with a different address.
Tom, you ever read about someone who wins, say $250k in the lottery and a year later they’re broke?
What do you think the diaspored palestinians are going to look like after a couple of years living in other countries? No education, no trade, values and culture that puts them outside the mainstream of their host countries. Just a slug of money. Some will live frugally and survive off the interest, some will get educations. But most will self segregate, blow the money and end up back in exactly the same situation they’re in now - just with a different address.
and the trouble with that is?
For me, anything that puts a barrier between Israel and the murderous palestinian thugs would be a good thing........a wall, mine fields, or shipping the arabs in Gaza to anywhere else in the world (Africa might be nice)
I think you need to read some non-revisionist history about this before you try and solve the problem
Thank you for the suggestion. Would you be so kind as to suggest some reading material and I will try to get up to speed. I do gather that you are of the impression that I am sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. In a way I am, because I think they are being used by their political leaders and others to further their anti-jew and anti-christian agenda. They are the anvil on which the current state of antipathy between Arabs and non-Arabs has been forged. They are partly to blame themselves, but for the most part they are now the descendents of some people who made bad decisions and for this they are, to a degree, hapless victims. And as long as they exist in the perceived state of victimhood, it is a problem for us. I want it to end before a lot more innocent people get incinerated. As far as the state of Israel is concerned, I support it wholeheartedly and I hope it exists and prospers for a very long time.
Tom, you ever read about someone who wins, say $250k in the lottery and a year later they’re broke?
I don’t care if they lose the money. If so, it will be their own fault. I just want them to leave Gaza and the WB and never come back. And it occurs to me that not very many countries want to take any of these people in. But, if they have money countries will be willing to take them. If they lose the money they will be no worse off than they are now, they will just be someplace else. Going back is not an option because the Israelis will control the territory and they seem to be quite capable of managing the territory under their control
I can’t see this plan working. No one has given up UBL for a staggering amount of reward money. The people you want to buy off are driven by something other than money. Mark Steyn quotes a militant muslim as saying the following: You think we fight you because we want you to give us something. We fight you because we want to eliminate you.
I can’t see this plan working. No one has given up UBL for a staggering amount of reward money. The people you want to buy off are driven by something other than money.
I agree, the militants will never be bought off. But I think the average Palestinian can be. They support the militants because they think they are eventually going to get something for it (land). Putting such an opportunity in front of the average Palestinian is going to make that person begin to wonder if their political leadership should be followed any longer. And if such an offered were rejected, then it becomes just that much clearer to us that the problem is going to be solved by conflict. After all, if a check for $250K is not going to make them happy do you think that pretending the WB is an independent country is going to?
Not IMO.
I can’t see this plan working. No one has given up UBL for a staggering amount of reward money. The people you want to buy off are driven by something other than money. Mark Steyn quotes a militant muslim as saying the following: You think we fight you because we want you to give us something. We fight you because we want to eliminate you.
You don’t know that’s true. There may have been many people “give up” bin Laden, he just hasn’t been “nabbed” or “nailed” yet.
But your point about the terrorists motives are right on the money.
I can’t see this plan working. No one has given up UBL for a staggering amount of reward money. The people you want to buy off are driven by something other than money. Mark Steyn quotes a militant muslim as saying the following: You think we fight you because we want you to give us something. We fight you because we want to eliminate you.
You don’t know that’s true. There may have been many people “give up” bin Laden, he just hasn’t been “nabbed” or “nailed” yet.
But your point about the terrorists motives are right on the money.
