Rep. Nick Rahall [D-WV] introduced H.Con.Res. 350: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States, through the International Whaling Commission, should use all appropriate measures to end commercial whaling in all of its forms, including scientific and other special permit whaling, coastal whaling, and community-based whaling, and seek to strengthen the conservation and management measures to facilitate the conservation of whale species, and for other purposes
Now I am sure this will enrage all the Whale Hunters from WV! Bet they will keep all their boats tied to the pier in protest.
Heh. Are we tripping over ourselves over politically correct terms? I’m picturing whaling being an inner city problem, about now. I guess Midnight Whaling programs are on the outs.
I wonder how the inner cities of far northern Canada and Alaska, will react to this heap of white boy, feel good, liberalism.
Sad that something as minor as a ‘sense of the Congress’ resolution over something that is as much of a no-brainer as a whaling ban would inspire such derision from the usual suspects.
“including scientific and other special permit whaling”
Yeah, mustn’t let those nasty scientists learn anything that might actually help the whale population.
Oh, that’s why you reacted the way you did.
Japan in particular, but also Finland, exploit and misuse the “scientific whaling” loophole to do commercial whaling, including the whaling of the endangered fin whale.
Since that loophole is abused, people want it closed.
Yes, we all know how liberals hate exploiting loopholes and how they respect diverse customs....except when they don’t like those customs. If the customs offend conservatives then they must be defended at all costs, like burkhas.
The only way the Japanese will stop whaling is if the demand for whale products is eliminated.
Good luck with that.
Sad that something as minor as a ‘sense of the Congress’ resolution over something that is as much of a no-brainer as a whaling ban would inspire such derision from the usual suspects.
Yes, we all know how liberals hate exploiting loopholes and how they respect diverse customs....except when they don’t like those customs. If the customs offend conservatives then they must be defended at all costs, like burkhas.
Thank you for popping your cork and spewing a bunch of irrelevancies.
The only way the Japanese will stop whaling is if the demand for whale products is eliminated.
Good luck with that.
There, sir, you may be right - though I would suggest that if the price they pay for breaking the whaling ban exceeds the benefits they reap from whaling, they would also stop. It worked for a while.
Sad that something as minor as a ‘sense of the Congress’ resolution over something that is as much of a no-brainer as a whaling ban would inspire such derision from the usual suspects.
I’m sure whalers think its a no-brainer.
I’m sure they do. But then their no-brainer already damn near exterminated many species of whale, including the blue and fin whales, before the world stopped them.
Granted, mjgreen, most posters here tend to ally with the party that coined the phrase “nuke the whales”, but what can I say, I think those krill-munching fluke-slapping aquatic behemoths are aweseome creatures and they deserve to continue to exist.
Thank you for popping your cork and spewing a bunch of irrelevancies.
Translated:
I have no comeback, so I’ll resort to my usual amusement/spewing/hate/popping your cork kind of comment.
Hmmm. Maybe if James Inhofe got up and lectured how hurt he is by the Inui, er, “community” whale hunts, maybe threw something in there along the line of “God’s creatures”, the Dems would sing a different tune.
Don’t all of you jump on me but i wish commercial whaling would stop. Yes, jaws, blood and predation are all part of nature, i know but i hope we as humans with enlightenment can do better. On some of the other debates i have had at other venues, the debate finally came down to “ whats so especially cruel about killing whales that doesn’t apply to say killing chickens or cows “. Since i have no satisfactory answer to that question, i chalk it down to my idiosyncratic sympathy for creatures like whales, tigers etc.
I wish the coming generations of Japanese take a different view of the subject than the present.
And the whalers think they are the source of their livelihood, which they believe should continue to exist. Funny how your thinking is related to your emotional attachment, theirs is to their livelihood. I can see why the gov’t of Japan tends to side with the whalers.
Furthermore, don’t you think they have an interest in not hunting whales to extinction? Wouldn’t that have the same effect as a whaling ban, which they are fighting so vehemently, except that it would be permanent?
And the whalers think they are the source of their livelihood, which they believe should continue to exist. Funny how your thinking is related to your emotional attachment, theirs is to their livelihood. I can see why the gov’t of Japan tends to side with the whalers.
Come now - you and I both know there’s more to conservation than emotional attachment. Don’t jump on my admission of emotional attachment to the creatures like that. That’s bad form.
Furthermore, don’t you think they have an interest in not hunting whales to extinction? Wouldn’t that have the same effect as a whaling ban, which they are fighting so vehemently, except that it would be permanent?
That is a sound, rational argument, but for the example of history showing it doesn’t work that way.
mjgreen, if that last post was directed at my comments,
I fully agree the whalers argument is far superior to mine. If someday commercial whaling is stopped, i only wish it to be done by persuasion not by edict.
EDIT:Oops, Seems those comments were directed at Raptavio. Apologies, mj
And the whalers think they are the source of their livelihood, which they believe should continue to exist. Funny how your thinking is related to your emotional attachment, theirs is to their livelihood. I can see why the gov’t of Japan tends to side with the whalers.
Come now - you and I both know there’s more to conservation than emotional attachment. Don’t jump on my admission of emotional attachment to the creatures like that. That’s bad form.
Ummm...."I think those krill-munching fluke-slapping aquatic behemoths are aweseome creatures and they deserve to continue to exist.” I respond to what’s posted, Rap.
Furthermore, don’t you think they have an interest in not hunting whales to extinction? Wouldn’t that have the same effect as a whaling ban, which they are fighting so vehemently, except that it would be permanent?
That is a sound, rational argument, but for the example of history showing it doesn’t work that way.
People whaled for thousands of years. The difference, IMO, was that whaling technology got ahead of the curve. Were populations rapidly reduced? Yes. But the funny thing is that they have recovered far more quickly than scientists thought they would, meaning it is likely that there was an overestimation of the damage done. Regardless, a complete ban, vs. harvest limits or other regulation, is an emotional response. (I personally believe the markets can regulate sufficiently; price is a powerful demand-suppressant.)
The only way the Japanese will stop whaling is if the demand for whale products is eliminated.
Good luck with that.
Actually, if you’ll remember the sories from a year or two back, demand for whale products in Japan did drop. The government bought it up and started a rather intensive campaign to encourage people to eat more whale. So that argument is already demostrably false. As to why, which entity in Japan built those whaling ships ? Hint - it wasn’t private money.
