trapeze - 24 December 2007 03:57 AM
The strawman striketh.
It’s not using the strawman argument to have genuine scepticism about the premise of someone’s argument.
Of course it is. Take off your “pro-illegal” blinders. It is not unlike abstinence...it works every time it is tried.
This is just silly!
It’s not like abstinence in the least.
“Self-deportation,” in this case, is a tiny solution to an as yet unresolved problem of massive illegal immigration.
It’s not comparable to the woes brought on by pre-marital sex or the ethical and moral issues involved.
The problem is not closing the borders and not enforcing existing immigration laws. You know this but insist on pretending that it isn’t self-evident.
Are there immigration laws?
You presuppose there are.
I venture that there are not, that’s it’s not illegal to be here per se.
Ahh, the ad hominem attack. You whip it out reflexively. Again, you know that this discussion has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the illegals. This is strictly about enforcing the law...a purely Republican principle. Don’t like the law? Change it. Oh, wait...you and Lindsey Graham tried that this year and were soundly spanked...darn.
You deserve an ad hominem, because your big beef--as you illustrate so well here--isn’t that the borders aren’t closed for security reasons, but that your primary focus is the undesirability of the illegals.
It’s not a Republican principle to enforce laws that don’t exist.
Nor is it a Conservative value to detest immigration to this country.
Lindsay Graham, John Kyl, John McCain and to a certain extent John Cornyn all stood behind the President’s immigration bill, good Republicans all.
Gosh, I hate having to explain a pun but if you insist on being dense about it I guess I am forced to do so.
If you refer back to the original PL article it says:
A prominent canard in the debate over illegal immigration is
Since canard rhymes with petard it was a pun that I could not resist foisting on you. Of course, by not getting it you truly have hoisted yourself on your own petard. Congratulations.
Gosh, I hate having to explain a pun to you, but a pun is a word that sounds exactly like another word but whose meaning and spelling is different and whose use in the place of the other word is humorous.
Your use of “canard” was a play on words, but it wasn’t a pun.
The article says this in the concluding paragraphs:
Moses Garcia, a U.S. citizen who came from Mexico 18 years ago and knew many of the families affected by the 2006 raid through his church and real estate work, said most of the workers have left to other states, not back to Mexico.
“They feel like they are not welcome here,” Garcia said. “They go to Minnesota, Atlanta, Nebraska, California.”
This isn’t self-deporting!
They’re just going to more illegal-friendly states.
It’s as I stated above: “Self-deportation” is not a real solution to the problem and never was.
I wish you could hear how moronic it really sounds and it doesn’t sound any less stupid when the PL guys say it. (Sorry, men, but there it is!)