This thread could be considered torture if we were to follow the guidelines the libbies want.
Another PowerLine joke about torture. What else besides sleep deprivation, fatal beatings, and waterboarding do you find funny? I am sure that if you were subjected to Bush’s “enhanced interrogation” techniques, you would not be laughing. But that could never happen to you, right? Torture is something that happens to other people, and you just laugh about it.
This thread could be considered torture if we were to follow the guidelines the libbies want.
Another PowerLine joke about torture. What else besides sleep deprivation, fatal beatings, and waterboarding do you find funny? I am sure that if you were subjected to Bush’s “enhanced interrogation” techniques, you would not be laughing. But that could never happen to you, right? Torture is something that happens to other people, and you just laugh about it.
Sometimes it’s better to give than receive. Which would you rather?
I think that when you are in a mortal struggle you can do anything, yes anything.
Incorrect. When you have this attitude, the one thing you can’t do is claim moral superiority. You are just another animal fighting in the dirt. Of course, some people like this state of affairs. It makes everything very simple.
Declaring something to be a “mortal struggle” is the trick here, and it is easy to for people like Pesca to abandon civilized behavior. Just as Milosevic unleashed the savages in Serbia, Bush and Cheney let loose the American savages. Visit PowerLine any day and you will read the barbaric screeds of advocates of torture, summary execution, and nuclear attacks. These people kept quiet for decades in America, privately enojying their authoritarian fantasies. Now they scream for blood without any shame on the blog called PowerLine.
”He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.”—Samuel Johnson
“He who makes an ass of himself gets rid of the pain of being accurate”.
This thread could be considered torture if we were to follow the guidelines the libbies want.
Another PowerLine joke about torture. What else besides sleep deprivation, fatal beatings, and waterboarding do you find funny? I am sure that if you were subjected to Bush’s “enhanced interrogation” techniques, you would not be laughing. But that could never happen to you, right? Torture is something that happens to other people, and you just laugh about it.
How is that a joke? You seriously consider anything that is coercive and unpleasant, like sleep deprivation and waterboarding, to be “torture”. Amnesty International thinks being shut indoors all day with the lights on is “abuse”. You’re the joke here.
Now to simplify your responses I am devising a BS code system.
01000 Personal attack on Poster series
01010 Poster is ass
01020 Poster is Nazi
01030 Poster is illiterate…
01999 Personal attacks on Responder inclusive
02000 Personal attack on Incumbent President
02010 Bush is ass
02020 Bush is Nazi
02030 Bush is illiterate…
02999 Attacks on Bush inclusive
03000 Attack on United States
03010 USA is ass
03020 USA is Nazi
03030 USA is illiterate…
03999 Attacks on USA inclusive
04000 False Comparison to Tyranny series
04010 Mongol empire
04020 Third Reich
04030 Inquisition
04040 WW2 Japan
04050 Communist Vietnam…
04999 False comparison to tyranny inclusive
just go ahead and use the five digit codes and save bytes. And please avoid using 99999 wherever possible.
Amnesty International thinks being shut indoors all day with the lights on is “abuse”.
What would you tolerate having done to your wife and children to “question” them, Yell? Do you think keeping them awake by kicking or punching them for several days would be torture? How about soaking them with cold water and keeping them chained up in a cold room for hours at a time? Solitary confinement for a few weeks can be described as “being shut indoors all day with the lights on,” and if we add some music at 120 DB, I suppose you might consider that free entertainment. To give your family members a refreshing break from beatings and sleep deprivation, they could be subjected to controlled drowning, a process by which they are suffocated to the brink of death, repeatedly, until they are willing to declare that you are a terrorist.
I don’t know what dehumanizing influences compel a man to deny that sustained deliberate abuse of human beings is not torture, but it is a sad thing to witness. Were it not for the legal strictures against torture, I don’t think you would even bother with your denial games. But since you seem to have some respect for the law, you are trying to redefine torture to make Bush-authorized abuse of captives seem legal. That hasn’t worked out very well for the Bush administration, so perhaps you should think about how it reflects on you.
Point #1: You still seem to insist upon the protections of law enforcement-type procedures upon people taken on the field of battle or as terrorists in foreign lands. The issues are different, and if you cannot see that, you have no business in defending the nation.
In law enforcement - the arrestee is innocent until proven guilty, and we have made a specific and earnest decision that we would rather have some of the guilty get off than have a single innocent person wrongly convicted. This is right and proper.
In the battlefield and war - the arrestee is taken in combat, usually, or while carrying, or in bomb-making establishments, or in other such scenarios. They are NOT entitled to due process in the way we mean it for law enforcement. They are, in fact, presumed guilty, and in fact, are presumed guilty of violating the very Geneva Convention that you say protects them, in the case of the terrorists in Guantanamo and other places of confinement. Violators of the Geneva Convention are not entitled to its protection, in my view.
Your horror at the treatment of these violators of the Geneva Convention would be correct were we talking about law enforcement. We are not. We are talking about war. And unless you plan on your wife or daughter carrying bombs for terrorists, your hypothetical about what we would want our wives or daughters to be subject to is moot.
That being said, our treatment of them is far more humane than their treatment of us. The Pentagon and the Administration has been clear: torture is not allowed. Coercive interrogation techniques are. And you differ on where that line is. Fine. You try to make your case strongly. Fine. But everyone who disagrees where to place the line is not a monster, sir. Not a “Hitler”, not a “Nazi”, not a “totalitarianist”.
Your gratuitous insults are what are demeaning on here.
MY GOD! How can you say such a thing? Don’t you realize that there are prisoners being tortured in Gitmo as we speak? Why, they are just as innocent as you or your wife and children and that rat bastard Bush refuses to recognize this undeniable truth! It is our duty to all mankind to keep this thread going because without it, our culture, our nation and our way of life are all in jeopardy!
But on a lighter note I would like to point out that if there were truly a time machine and we put meliorist in it, then set the controls for oh say 50 years in the future the net result would be oldjim.
What would you tolerate having done to your wife and children to “question” them, Yell? Do you think keeping them awake by kicking or punching them for several days would be torture? How about soaking them with cold water and keeping them chained up in a cold room for hours at a time? Solitary confinement for a few weeks can be described as “being shut indoors all day with the lights on,” and if we add some music at 120 DB, I suppose you might consider that free entertainment. To give your family members a refreshing break from beatings and sleep deprivation, they could be subjected to controlled drowning, a process by which they are suffocated to the brink of death, repeatedly, until they are willing to declare that you are a terrorist.
I don’t know what dehumanizing influences compel a man to deny that sustained deliberate abuse of human beings is not torture, but it is a sad thing to witness. Were it not for the legal strictures against torture, I don’t think you would even bother with your denial games. But since you seem to have some respect for the law, you are trying to redefine torture to make Bush-authorized abuse of captives seem legal. That hasn’t worked out very well for the Bush administration, so perhaps you should think about how it reflects on you.
All you had to say was
01010
01020
and Poster is Inhuman Monster we can code that as 01040
and the classic 02020
see how easy that is? I covered all your points with 20 characters. But I guess you’re just 01030
The Yell has this exactly right. I’ve often proposed such a coding system for some of the cranks I’ve encountered. Just let them use a few codes, after all the rants are all the same!
so what we have here is theme and variation by meliorist. We could use The Yell’s coding system and see how meliorist manages to simply repeat himself ad nauseum.
Frankly I think the boy is in training for the blow hard olympics.
