Lord knows how much money these three bastids have cost me in confiscated expensive cosmetics items that my wife and daughter have tried to take on airplanes.
Islam is the Religion of peace isn’t it? Isn’t that the reason Fitna was removed om it’s original broadcast website? Oh right, it was because of the overwhelming volume of death threats over their broadcasting it, that they received.
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.
First, you’ve got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.
But let’s assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you’ve got them on hand.
Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It’s all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don’t forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked “perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You’re going to need them.
It’s best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you’ll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you’ll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.
After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven’t overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you’ll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.
The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit “mass murder on an unimaginable scale,” as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it’s true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it’s unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that’s about all you’re likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.
First, you’ve got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.
But let’s assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you’ve got them on hand.
Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It’s all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don’t forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked “perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You’re going to need them.
It’s best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you’ll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you’ll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.
After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven’t overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you’ll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.
The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit “mass murder on an unimaginable scale,” as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it’s true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it’s unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that’s about all you’re likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.
LOL! This “analysis” by a certified BDS sufferer is interesting, but that doesn’t make it “fact”. For instance, I’ve flown first class on several international airlines, and when champagne was served there wasn’t an ice bucket in sight. And that includes Air Jamaica, which prides itself on its “Champagne Flights”.
Likewise, Greene is totally out of his realm when he brings up the Aloha Airlines flight that had the decompression in 1988. That plane was flying at only 24,000 feet-which is a much lower altitude than the typical trans-Atlantic flight, which all fly at 35,000 to 39,000 feet up. The Aloha flight landed safely because of the much lower altitude, but also because of where the accident took place-the air in the tropics at 24,000 feet is much warmer than the air over the North Atlantic at 24,000 feet. Had Aloha 234 had its problems over the Atlantic, the results would have been much much worse.
A commenter to Greene’s website regarding another one of his screeds put it best:
“The author obviously has a personal agenda, and little or no experience that would help him understand the exploit, and how dangerous it really is.
He should have stayed in areas (IF there are any) where he knows what he’s talking about.”
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.
First, you’ve got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.
But let’s assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you’ve got them on hand.
Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It’s all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don’t forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked “perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You’re going to need them.
It’s best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you’ll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you’ll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.
After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven’t overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you’ll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.
The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit “mass murder on an unimaginable scale,” as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it’s true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it’s unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that’s about all you’re likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.
LOL! This “analysis” by a certified BDS sufferer is interesting, but that doesn’t make it “fact”. For instance, I’ve flown first class on several international airlines, and when champagne was served there wasn’t an ice bucket in sight. And that includes Air Jamaica, which prides itself on its “Champagne Flights”.
Likewise, Greene is totally out of his realm when he brings up the Aloha Airlines flight that had the decompression in 1988. That plane was flying at only 24,000 feet-which is a much lower altitude than the typical trans-Atlantic flight, which all fly at 35,000 to 39,000 feet up. The Aloha flight landed safely because of the much lower altitude, but also because of where the accident took place-the air in the tropics at 24,000 feet is much warmer than the air over the North Atlantic at 24,000 feet. Had Aloha 234 had its problems over the Atlantic, the results would have been much much worse.
A commenter to Greene’s website regarding another one of his screeds put it best:
“The author obviously has a personal agenda, and little or no experience that would help him understand the exploit, and how dangerous it really is.
He should have stayed in areas (IF there are any) where he knows what he’s talking about.”
The question is, how easy it is to manufacture this explosive “in flight”. The answer is: “not so easy”.
Also these guys didn’t even have plane tickets or valid passports.
The question is, how easy it is to manufacture this explosive “in flight”. The answer is: “not so easy”.
Also these guys didn’t even have plane tickets or valid passports.
It’s fear mongering at it’s best.
Hey but you all fell for it.
The question isn’t “how easy is it manufacture this explosive in flight.”
Obviously, it was tricky, but not impossible.
In fact, it was quite possible.
And for them to get plane tickets (only takes a few clicks of the mouse) was dead easy--Remember how Mohammed Atta and his 9/11 crew got their tickets on Expedia.com?
“Valid passports?” Also dead easy in the U.K. and even easier if they’re acquired on the black market.
Fear mongering at its best? Not in the least.
Whereas you are a terrorist enabler at his worst, Hairy91.
Nice of Harry91 to give the “Anarchist Cookbook” recipé for a liquid explosive,
although if I were the moderator here, I would DELETE it
BUT ...
You can still smuggle aboard and make a device no matter the carry on restrictions. “Profiling” would identify such nefarious people in a heartbeat - ya just can’t do that in America.
Once upon a time, an inmate on Death Row in Arizona ("Bonzai" Bobby Vickers) made a fire bomb and incinerated another inmate (Buster Holsinger) who was locked in a cell. I won’t go into details, but it was a painful, nasty mess.
Nice of Harry91 to give the “Anarchist Cookbook” recipé for a liquid explosive,
although if I were the moderator here, I would DELETE it
BUT ...
You can still smuggle aboard and make a device no matter the carry on restrictions. “Profiling” would identify such nefarious people in a heartbeat - ya just can’t do that in America.
Once upon a time, an inmate on Death Row in Arizona ("Bonzai" Bobby Vickers) made a fire bomb and incinerated another inmate (Buster Holsinger) who was locked in a cell. I won’t go into details, but it was a painful, nasty mess.
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Oh come on I quoted a respected web site that can be googled in seconds. Long live freedom of information eh.
The question is, how easy it is to manufacture this explosive “in flight”. The answer is: “not so easy”.
Also these guys didn’t even have plane tickets or valid passports.
Not yet!
But they did have martyrdom videos:
Plotters made martyrdom videos
(But according to Hairy, they weren’t really going to “martyr” themselves--it was an April Fool’s joke!)
It’s fear mongering at it’s best.
Hey but you all fell for it
Hairy91, you idjit!
Thank God the British authorities fell for it before these b*st*rds killed thousands of people.
My understanding is that they were going to wait to blow up the planes when they were over American cities.
The question is, how easy it is to manufacture this explosive “in flight”. The answer is: “not so easy”.
Also these guys didn’t even have plane tickets or valid passports.
Not yet!
But they did have martyrdom videos:
Plotters made martyrdom videos
(But according to Hairy, they weren’t really going to “martyr” themselves--it was an April Fool’s joke!)
It’s fear mongering at it’s best.
Hey but you all fell for it
Hairy91, you idjit!
Thank God the British authorities fell for it before these b*st*rds killed thousands of people.
My understanding is that they were going to wait to blow up the planes when they were over American cities.
What are you talking about. Nowhere have I even come close to stating these guy’s are innocent. What I’m saying is that to build this bomb (in flight) is not as easy as everyone seems to think. In fact, to build the bomb would be near impossible. The time required in the bathroom to mix the chemical would raise suspicions. The smell would raise suspicions.
Hairy91, you idjit!
Thank God the British authorities fell for it before these b*st*rds killed thousands of people.
My understanding is that they were going to wait to blow up the planes when they were over American cities.
If one, only one, of these planes had in fact been blown up, especially over an American city (which would likely cause widespread destruction and fatalities on the ground, not to mention a huge psychological shock to Americans) “Harry” here would be the first one to blame the authorities for NOT “falling for it” and allowing it to happen.
Harry: “Oh come on I quoted a respected web site that can be googled in seconds. Long live freedom of information eh.”
Does that make it right?
I can make a bomb in minutes with simple things I find in your home. The same with a firearm silencer, etc. does that make it appropriate to post for all to see?
“With freedom of speech comes responsibilities”, eh?
These thugs are on trial for attempting mass murder. Just because their bomb might not have worked has nothing to do with the charge. The people on those planes can be appreciative that the bombs wouldn’t work and that their plans were discovered but the fact is still they planned the death of thousands and got caught. Harry “91” seems to think that to have arrested these Islamic crazies is a travesty because they are stupid in their bomb forulation and it might not have worked. Harry that is not the case, you can’t have a conspiracy for mass murder and walk when your caught.
Its to bad that there is no death penalty in England, their heads deserve the pike and ravens. Islam has got to be treated as a death cult rather than a religion, the Iman’s preach death and destruction and nothing happens to them, has to stop; think David Koresh and Waco.
