Here is how I could, all by myself, bring the price of oil down.
Posted: 09 May 2008 10:21 PM

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All I need to do is liquidate all of my investments and invest them all in oil futures.  I suspect within two weeks of my doing so oil would be back to $20.00 a barrel!

 
 
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As in “if I didn’t have crap luck, I’d have no luck at all”?

I can commiserate.

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CrazyRobert - 09 May 2008 10:21 PM

All I need to do is liquidate all of my investments and invest them all in oil futures.  I suspect within two weeks of my doing so oil would be back to $20.00 a barrel!

Well, what are you waiting for.  You need to take one for the team.

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Pandora - 10 May 2008 12:14 AM

As in “if I didn’t have crap luck, I’d have no luck at all”?

I can commiserate.

It’s called “BUZZARDS LUCK” Can’t kill and nothing will die for you!!

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All I need to do is liquidate all of my investments and invest them all in oil futures.  I suspect within two weeks of my doing so oil would be back to $20.00 a barrel!

Well, what are you waiting for.  You need to take one for the team.

Your country needs you.

And I have less than half a tank left.

 
 
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Buy some corn and soybean futures while you are spending all those bucks.

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I knew a guy who did this back in the early eighties when precious metals were going through the roof.  Worked real well, he lost his shirt within a few days.

 
 
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Curtiss - 10 May 2008 12:21 AM

CrazyRobert - 09 May 2008 10:21 PM
All I need to do is liquidate all of my investments and invest them all in oil futures. I suspect within two weeks of my doing so oil would be back to $20.00 a barrel!

Well, what are you waiting for. You need to take one for the team.

Believe it or not I was with-in a second or two of making the big decision to liquidate everything when I had a sudden realization that what I was about to do for my country, and my fellow gas buying citizens, might not be as good of an idea as it first seemed. After all, what would happen if gas prices went back to $1.29 a gallon?

That’s when it started to sink in, this might be a bad idea for at least three reasons. Reason # 1, the idiot whiners that think man is causing what they consider to be global warming would go berserk. If you think their current level of whining is nauseating, just think how putrid it would get if gas were a cheap commodity.

Reason # 2, given our litigious society which the liberals have created I wouldn’t be surprised if half the leech-like lawyers, once informed I was the cause of the lowering of gas prices, would be subjecting us to all sorts of law suits for all sorts of “environmental” reasons.

Reason # 3, once my few assets were gone I would have to start from scratch, and in this day and age I would probably have to spend a half of my time fighting off the invasive, incompetent government which would be begging me to let it take care of me and mine; and that ain’t gonna happen!

So I guess I’ll have to be content knowing we have vehicles that get pretty good gas mileage, and if worse gets to worse we can always ride our horses to where we need to go.

 
 
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For what it’s worth, today’s Paul Krugman column in the NYT supports the idea that you might lose your shirt, if you invested, but probably not your pants too:

The Oil Nonbubble
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: May 12, 2008

“The Oil Bubble: Set to Burst?” That was the headline of an October 2004 article in National Review, which argued that oil prices, then $50 a barrel, would soon collapse.

Ten months later, oil was selling for $70 a barrel. “It’s a huge bubble,” declared Steve Forbes, the publisher, who warned that the coming crash in oil prices would make the popping of the technology bubble “look like a picnic.”

All through oil’s five-year price surge, which has taken it from $25 a barrel to last week’s close above $125, there have been many voices declaring that it’s all a bubble, unsupported by the fundamentals of supply and demand.

So here are two questions: Are speculators mainly, or even largely, responsible for high oil prices? And if they aren’t, why have so many commentators insisted, year after year, that there’s an oil bubble?

Now, speculators do sometimes push commodity prices far above the level justified by fundamentals. But when that happens, there are telltale signs that just aren’t there in today’s oil market.

Imagine what would happen if the oil market were humming along, with supply and demand balanced at a price of $25 a barrel, and a bunch of speculators came in and drove the price up to $100.

Even if this were purely a financial play on the part of the speculators, it would have major consequences in the material world. Faced with higher prices, drivers would cut back on their driving; homeowners would turn down their thermostats; owners of marginal oil wells would put them back into production.

As a result, the initial balance between supply and demand would be broken, replaced with a situation in which supply exceeded demand. This excess supply would, in turn, drive prices back down again — unless someone were willing to buy up the excess and take it off the market.

The only way speculation can have a persistent effect on oil prices, then, is if it leads to physical hoarding — an increase in private inventories of black gunk. This actually happened in the late 1970s, when the effects of disrupted Iranian supply were amplified by widespread panic stockpiling.

But it hasn’t happened this time: all through the period of the alleged bubble, inventories have remained at more or less normal levels. This tells us that the rise in oil prices isn’t the result of runaway speculation; it’s the result of fundamental factors, mainly the growing difficulty of finding oil and the rapid growth of emerging economies like China. The rise in oil prices these past few years had to happen to keep demand growth from exceeding supply growth.

Saying that high-priced oil isn’t a bubble doesn’t mean that oil prices will never decline. I wouldn’t be shocked if a pullback in demand, driven by delayed effects of high prices, sends the price of crude back below $100 for a while. But it does mean that speculators aren’t at the heart of the story.

Why, then, do we keep hearing assertions that they are?

Part of the answer may be the undoubted fact that many people are now investing in oil futures — which feeds suspicion that speculators are running the show, even though there’s no good evidence that prices have gotten out of line.

But there’s also a political component.

Traditionally, denunciations of speculators come from the left of the political spectrum. In the case of oil prices, however, the most vociferous proponents of the view that it’s all the speculators’ fault have been conservatives — people whom you wouldn’t normally expect to see warning about the nefarious activities of investment banks and hedge funds.

The explanation of this seeming paradox is that wishful thinking has trumped pro-market ideology.

After all, a realistic view of what’s happened over the past few years suggests that we’re heading into an era of increasingly scarce, costly oil.

The consequences of that scarcity probably won’t be apocalyptic: France consumes only half as much oil per capita as America, yet the last time I looked, Paris wasn’t a howling wasteland. But the odds are that we’re looking at a future in which energy conservation becomes increasingly important, in which many people may even — gasp — take public transit to work.

I don’t find that vision particularly abhorrent, but a lot of people, especially on the right, do. And so they want to believe that if only Goldman Sachs would stop having such a negative attitude, we’d quickly return to the good old days of abundant oil.

Again, I wouldn’t be shocked if oil prices dip in the near future — although I also take seriously Goldman’s recent warning that the price could go to $200. But let’s drop all the talk about an oil bubble.

 
 
Posted: 12 May 2008 10:31 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 9 ]  
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Dwight - 12 May 2008 10:34 AM

For what it’s worth, today’s Paul Krugman column in the NYT supports the idea that you might lose your shirt, if you invested, but probably not your pants too:

The Oil Nonbubble
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: May 12, 2008

“The Oil Bubble: Set to Burst?” That was the headline of an October 2004 article in National Review, which argued that oil prices, then $50 a barrel, would soon collapse.

Ten months later, oil was selling for $70 a barrel. “It’s a huge bubble,” declared Steve Forbes, the publisher, who warned that the coming crash in oil prices would make the popping of the technology bubble “look like a picnic.”

All through oil’s five-year price surge, which has taken it from $25 a barrel to last week’s close above $125, there have been many voices declaring that it’s all a bubble, unsupported by the fundamentals of supply and demand.

So here are two questions: Are speculators mainly, or even largely, responsible for high oil prices? And if they aren’t, why have so many commentators insisted, year after year, that there’s an oil bubble?

Now, speculators do sometimes push commodity prices far above the level justified by fundamentals. But when that happens, there are telltale signs that just aren’t there in today’s oil market.

Imagine what would happen if the oil market were humming along, with supply and demand balanced at a price of $25 a barrel, and a bunch of speculators came in and drove the price up to $100.

Even if this were purely a financial play on the part of the speculators, it would have major consequences in the material world. Faced with higher prices, drivers would cut back on their driving; homeowners would turn down their thermostats; owners of marginal oil wells would put them back into production.

As a result, the initial balance between supply and demand would be broken, replaced with a situation in which supply exceeded demand. This excess supply would, in turn, drive prices back down again — unless someone were willing to buy up the excess and take it off the market.

The only way speculation can have a persistent effect on oil prices, then, is if it leads to physical hoarding — an increase in private inventories of black gunk. This actually happened in the late 1970s, when the effects of disrupted Iranian supply were amplified by widespread panic stockpiling.

But it hasn’t happened this time: all through the period of the alleged bubble, inventories have remained at more or less normal levels. This tells us that the rise in oil prices isn’t the result of runaway speculation; it’s the result of fundamental factors, mainly the growing difficulty of finding oil and the rapid growth of emerging economies like China. The rise in oil prices these past few years had to happen to keep demand growth from exceeding supply growth.

Saying that high-priced oil isn’t a bubble doesn’t mean that oil prices will never decline. I wouldn’t be shocked if a pullback in demand, driven by delayed effects of high prices, sends the price of crude back below $100 for a while. But it does mean that speculators aren’t at the heart of the story.

Why, then, do we keep hearing assertions that they are?

Part of the answer may be the undoubted fact that many people are now investing in oil futures — which feeds suspicion that speculators are running the show, even though there’s no good evidence that prices have gotten out of line.

But there’s also a political component.

Traditionally, denunciations of speculators come from the left of the political spectrum. In the case of oil prices, however, the most vociferous proponents of the view that it’s all the speculators’ fault have been conservatives — people whom you wouldn’t normally expect to see warning about the nefarious activities of investment banks and hedge funds.

The explanation of this seeming paradox is that wishful thinking has trumped pro-market ideology.

After all, a realistic view of what’s happened over the past few years suggests that we’re heading into an era of increasingly scarce, costly oil.

The consequences of that scarcity probably won’t be apocalyptic: France consumes only half as much oil per capita as America, yet the last time I looked, Paris wasn’t a howling wasteland. But the odds are that we’re looking at a future in which energy conservation becomes increasingly important, in which many people may even — gasp — take public transit to work.

I don’t find that vision particularly abhorrent, but a lot of people, especially on the right, do. And so they want to believe that if only Goldman Sachs would stop having such a negative attitude, we’d quickly return to the good old days of abundant oil.

Again, I wouldn’t be shocked if oil prices dip in the near future — although I also take seriously Goldman’s recent warning that the price could go to $200. But let’s drop all the talk about an oil bubble.

Yep, it sure is a rough & tumble world.  It was not too long ago gold was very close to, if not over $1,000.00 an ounce and some pro’s were saying it might not be too hard to believe it could make it to $2,000 an ounce.

Since that time it has dropped back to under $900 an ounce.  Who knows which way it plans on going from here?  That’s why I tend toward the tried & true stocks that pay decent dividends.  It might be boring, but I can live with it.

 
 
 

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