It is a war crime to violate the Geneva conventions, or to order such violation, or to knowingly fail to put a stop to such violation, including the use of torture which was ordered by top administration officials and performed at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.
Oh, and violating 18 USC 2441 carries a maximum death sentence if someone is tortured to death—which has happened.
It is a war crime to violate the Geneva conventions, or to order such violation, or to knowingly fail to put a stop to such violation, including the use of torture which was ordered by top administration officials and performed at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.
Oh, and violating 18 USC 2441 carries a maximum death sentence if someone is tortured to death—which has happened.
bitwise, I read it, why not post the bloody thing? The worst they can do is kill you. Shove it in their face and they will still swear your lying, koolaid has become the natl. drink for a lot of bushites.
The drive to get gonzales and yoo out of the way, they needed to spend more time with their families?
Watching this madness in our nations govermental zoo done by the current crop of apes, with the lies, the wholesale theft of the nations assets, the black hole of secerets is all most the same as Germany prior to World War Two, what a sad comment on americas leadership that rational and somewhat rational people could actually consider calling for trials for war crimes by the president of the USA?
And it is not because the man claims to be a republician, RINO, yes, or one world govt freak, wannbeking, dictatorship, whatever.
With luck we will survive him, and as they said about clinton, what more damage can he do?
With luck, we will not be stupid enough to drop a nuke or three on Iran or invade another middle eastern country for the next few months.
Of course, all our problems will be solved if we elect a muslim to the oval office, as according to some researchers one of our trotters holds that claim of not being a “serious” muslim.
Never did I ever think that we would have a Half Muslim running for the oval office.
We have had a plethora of half-wits for a sustained period of time now.
Torturing prisoners is also a violation of the international Convention Against Torture, to which we are a signatory, and the War Crimes Act, passed by Congress, as well as the US Army Field Manual. All of this should merit not only impeachment for Bush and Cheney but war crimes tribunals at The Hague for all the people mentioned in the thread title.
What’s funny is that the best they can do is find these isolated incidents of abuse, then try to tie them to the Administration by saying “Rumsfeld authorized environmental manipulation.” It’s a non-sequitur which most intelligent people see right away. Simply because certain uncomfortable techniques were authorized (such as hot and cold, loud music, long periods of standing) doesn’t mean that beating prisoners to death was authorized. The numbers tell the tale. Out of tens of thousands of detainees, they can only find 44 deaths. And they don’t even say whether or not all of these deaths are attributable to U.S. guards. In case bitwize and his cohorts are ignorant of this fact, people who go to prison tend to be bad. Many are killers. As a result, people kill each other in prison fairly regularly. But reasonable thinking, not mouth-breathing hatred of Bush, drives this analysis, so why am I bothering?
Are some of you people actually willing to see the USA behave the same as Nazi Germany?
I.E. Committing torture of detainees? Has our nation sunk to the level of attlia the hun? Those of you who approve of torture really ought to think back to what happened at the Trials in Germany after World War Two?
I kid you not, “I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS!” was not an excuse then, nor is it now, john yoo and his torture memos now have many rational people, many of them lawyers calling for his head. I am not for torture, I was not for Adolph Hitler and his Nazis, nor am I for any advocate of such criminal behavior, and it does not matter whether its a repub or a demo, there is not a nickels worth of differenc between the two.
Whe powerful leaders cross the line and in many instances in the past several years, attempts have been and are still being made to erase the line, giving the president unlimited power, are you really in favor of HRC, if she were president, having unlimited power?
If not, what wouuld cause you to be willing to give unlimited power to George Bush?
Because if your in favor of a president having unlimited power, as proposed by flimsy legal opinions, per yoo and gonzales, then you are in fact taking the position that you wish to live under a dictator. Are you sure that is what you would support?
What’s funny is that the best they can do is find these isolated incidents of abuse, then try to tie them to the Administration by saying “Rumsfeld authorized environmental manipulation.” It’s a non-sequitur which most intelligent people see right away. Simply because certain uncomfortable techniques were authorized (such as hot and cold, loud music, long periods of standing) doesn’t mean that beating prisoners to death was authorized. The numbers tell the tale. Out of tens of thousands of detainees, they can only find 44 deaths. And they don’t even say whether or not all of these deaths are attributable to U.S. guards. In case bitwize and his cohorts are ignorant of this fact, people who go to prison tend to be bad. Many are killers. As a result, people kill each other in prison fairly regularly. But reasonable thinking, not mouth-breathing hatred of Bush, drives this analysis, so why am I bothering?
Out of tens of thousands of detainees, they can only find 44 deaths.
PLEASE POST THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF DEATHS BEFORE MURDERS OF DETAINEES IS CONSIDERED A WAR CRIME, OR CRIMES?
And where are these tens of thousands of detainees held? By Whom?
Under what authority? Who built the prison camps? What nation guards them? As detainees are they accorded rights under the Geneva Convention? What is the nations purpose in holding detainees around the world? Why is this information not released to congress and the americian public?
What type of info has been released about the detainees? Is it possibile these are in fact death camps? On the order of the death camps during world war two in Germany?
These matters need to be made public, by the people who authorized these actatives and the people in positions of power need to stand and make clear their positions and who authorized same.
Your thread title just got funnier after reading this. A Left-wing website quoting the ACLU (overkill?). But, this is old news, now, isn’t it? Here’s the catch; if the ACLU has hard evidence of murder and mayhem, what are they waiting for? The ACLU prosecutes and files lawsuits at the drop of a hat for the most ridiculous reasons. So, what are your heroes waiting for here?
If there are heinous crimes committed, why are they whining about the level of news coverage instead of doing something about it?? This is the ACLU, the American Clowns and Losers Union. What gives??
It is a war crime to violate the Geneva conventions, or to order such violation, or to knowingly fail to put a stop to such violation, including the use of torture which was ordered by top administration officials and performed at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.
Oh, and violating 18 USC 2441 carries a maximum death sentence if someone is tortured to death—which has happened.
Look, kid, your American-hating friends in Europe have been trying to get those people tried as “war criminals” for almost 5 years now, and have been laughed out of every court they’ve gone to. Why don’t you just calm down, take a deep breath (and maybe a sedative), and “Move On” (dot-org)?
While you’re at it, tell us how trying to try these people will help your political side of the aisle and “help” the country. And especially how it will appear to our enemies, who will be laughing their asses off at you as they watch the spectacle while planning their next attack, knowing that you’re doing your best to remove the adults from the job of protecting us, and putting you kids back in charge like you were in the 1990s.
It is a war crime to violate the Geneva conventions, or to order such violation, or to knowingly fail to put a stop to such violation, including the use of torture which was ordered by top administration officials and performed at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.
Oh, and violating 18 USC 2441 carries a maximum death sentence if someone is tortured to death—which has happened.
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Look, kid, your American-hating friends in Europe have been trying to get those people tried as “war criminals” for almost 5 years now, and have been laughed out of every court they’ve gone to. Why don’t you just calm down, take a deep breath (and maybe a sedative), and “Move On” (dot-org)?
While you’re at it, tell us how trying to try these people will help your political side of the aisle and “help” the country. And especially how it will appear to our enemies, who will be laughing their asses off at you as they watch the spectacle while planning their next attack, knowing that you’re doing your best to remove the adults from the job of protecting us, and putting you kids back in charge like you were in the 1990s.
(Laughter)
So, if I understand your post, you are in favor of death camps, torture, genocide, homicide and a dictator for the USA?
And you support unlimited powers for George W. Bush?
And thereby giving this president unlimited powers as proposed by John Yoo and Alberto Gonzales,
then no question that you would support the next president the same authority?
Even if its Hillary? Or Obama?
Tell me how it helps you or this nation to torture cab drivers from Afghanstan? Is that our new policy?
Round up the usual cab drivers and torturer them for a few days or weeks and if we don’t kill too many of them, it will be just fine?
Is that what your are honestly supporting?
That laughter is the madman running around in your head, because that would make you about the equal of that splendid fellow trotting around in Austria, you know the one I am refering too?
The one who has kept his daughter and children, fathered by him in the basement for way too long? Are you in favor of that as well?
