Gun Control, who is worse, Rudy or Hillary?
Posted: 20 November 2007 04:01 PM

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NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

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Posted: 20 November 2007 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 1 ]

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This issue could be really bad news for Rudy as far as getting the nomination.  The Court’s agreeing to hear this case pushes this issue to top tier and that’s the last thing Rudy wants to see with his record.  My guess is that this gives McCain a boost when he is making some modest strides anyway.

 
 
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paul - 20 November 2007 04:01 PM

NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

IF the court rules on the collective/individual right issue early next year, it will be mostly irrelevant what any candidate thinks or who they might appoint later RE this one issue.

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Mike C. - 20 November 2007 06:43 PM

paul - 20 November 2007 04:01 PM
NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

IF the court rules on the collective/individual right issue early next year, it will be mostly irrelevant what any candidate thinks or who they might appoint later RE this one issue.

Film at 11.

Good point, a lot depends on what they specifically rule. But they tend to make rulings that find some specific thing or things unconstitutional. The legislature (state or federal) then takes that as a cue to write new law which still does essentially what they want, but will pass constitutional muster. Oh Frabjous Day [sarcasm]. But you’re right...film at 11, we’ll see.

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Posted: 21 November 2007 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 4 ]

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paul - 20 November 2007 04:01 PM

NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

Rudy.  At least Clinton hasn’t tried to use the courts to stop/limit the manufacture of guns, thereby making the issue of ownership secondary and depriving law-abiding Americans of their Second Amendment rights.  You can’t buy what isn’t being made.

 
 
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Phillip - 20 November 2007 05:49 PM

This issue could be really bad news for Rudy as far as getting the nomination.  The Court’s agreeing to hear this case pushes this issue to top tier and that’s the last thing Rudy wants to see with his record.  My guess is that this gives McCain a boost when he is making some modest strides anyway.

McCain is anti-firearm rights too. The only candidate in the top-tier who is staunchly and verifiably pro-second amendment is Thompson, and unless he staunches the bleeding of his campaign, he won’t be top-tier for long. Mike Huckabee is also a good candidate for gun rights, but his status as a top-tier candidate has yet to be established.

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luthien - 21 November 2007 11:08 AM

paul - 20 November 2007 04:01 PM
NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

Rudy.  At least Clinton hasn’t tried to use the courts to stop/limit the manufacture of guns, thereby making the issue of ownership secondary and depriving law-abiding Americans of their Second Amendment rights.  You can’t buy what isn’t being made.

Well, jeez, luthien, that’s a twisted way of looking at things.
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According to JentheLoon-o-con, Rudy merely “sued gun manufacturers for making far more guns than people could ever buy.” So, I guess that’s okay then.

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Posted: 21 November 2007 09:45 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 7 ]

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Pandora - 21 November 2007 04:43 PM

luthien - 21 November 2007 11:08 AM
paul - 20 November 2007 04:01 PM
NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

Rudy.  At least Clinton hasn’t tried to use the courts to stop/limit the manufacture of guns, thereby making the issue of ownership secondary and depriving law-abiding Americans of their Second Amendment rights.  You can’t buy what isn’t being made.

Well, jeez, luthien, that’s a twisted way of looking at things.
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According to JentheLoon-o-con, Rudy merely “sued gun manufacturers for making far more guns than people could ever buy.” So, I guess that’s okay then.

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Okay for everybody but the company’s stockholders.  What company manufactures more product than the market can move?  I’m no financial wizard, but even I have a hard time swallowing that one, Pandora.  :)

 
 
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luthien - 21 November 2007 09:45 PM

Pandora - 21 November 2007 04:43 PM
luthien - 21 November 2007 11:08 AM
paul - 20 November 2007 04:01 PM
NYTimes reports (yes I know, the evil NYT) that the Supreme Court has taken a case on gun control. With a Democrat Congress, and both Clinton and Giuliani being pro gun control, what does the future hold for the 2nd Ammendment? I realize it’s way too early to predict, but I’m guessing they’re the most likely nominees. Yes, Giuliani says he’ll appoint original intent judges, but even giving him that, it seems to me he’s been able to ignore this issue. I am not optimistic.

Rudy.  At least Clinton hasn’t tried to use the courts to stop/limit the manufacture of guns, thereby making the issue of ownership secondary and depriving law-abiding Americans of their Second Amendment rights.  You can’t buy what isn’t being made.

Well, jeez, luthien, that’s a twisted way of looking at things.
sarcasm.gif

According to JentheLoon-o-con, Rudy merely “sued gun manufacturers for making far more guns than people could ever buy.” So, I guess that’s okay then.

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Okay for everybody but the company’s stockholders.  What company manufactures more product than the market can move?  I’m no financial wizard, but even I have a hard time swallowing that one, Pandora.  :)

True indeed. 

The larger point is:  what kind of ‘conservative’ brings suit against a company for what they consider excess manufacturing?  I thought conservatives believe in Constitutionally-relevent, smaller government

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Posted: 23 November 2007 07:53 PM   [ Ignore ]  [ # 9 ]  
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The second amendment should be relatively safe thanks to the appointments made by this President.

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john florida - 23 November 2007 07:53 PM

The second amendment should be relatively safe thanks to the appointments made by this President.

I’m pleased with Roberts and Alito too, but Bush has only maintained the ratio of 5 Liberals: 4 Conservatives.  We’ll need another conservative on the Court before I’d consider the 2nd amendment safe.

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