I have been gone awhile--and see that things have changed here. I thought this was a more or less conservative blog site. You guys seem to be all about electing B. Hussein Obama! John McCain was not my first choice, but on any given day he beats the hell out of some socialist with 2 years experience! What is all this talk about him “moving to the center?” Are you all crazy? Did you check his voting record? He is the most liberal in the senate....Whatever makes you think he is off to the center? I hope you will be happy with more Ruth Bader Ginsbergs and tax increases and windfall profit fiasco’s. You guys are totally over the edge!
I think that perhaps Ruth Bader Ginsberg may be too conservative for Obama.
Anyway, Anna, I agree with your comments. This is a very puzzling thread.
Curtis McCain keeps moving to the left and conservatives get upset. Why are we struggling to stay with him when he should be moving towards us.That’s what’s happening on this thread.
John, I understand everyone’s feelings toward McCain. But that doesn’t mean Obama will move to the center. Based on what Obama has done in the past and based on what he says now, I don’t see how anyone can draw that conclusion. He won’t change his stripes.
Making “good” the enemy of “best” usually results with “worst”. There will be two choices in November. Pick the one you want to be president, not the one you don’t.
I have been gone awhile--and see that things have changed here. I thought this was a more or less conservative blog site. You guys seem to be all about electing B. Hussein Obama! John McCain was not my first choice, but on any given day he beats the hell out of some socialist with 2 years experience! What is all this talk about him “moving to the center?” Are you all crazy? Did you check his voting record? He is the most liberal in the senate....Whatever makes you think he is off to the center? I hope you will be happy with more Ruth Bader Ginsbergs and tax increases and windfall profit fiasco’s. You guys are totally over the edge!
I think that perhaps Ruth Bader Ginsberg may be too conservative for Obama.
Anyway, Anna, I agree with your comments. This is a very puzzling thread.
Curtis McCain keeps moving to the left and conservatives get upset. Why are we struggling to stay with him when he should be moving towards us.That’s what’s happening on this thread.
John, I understand everyone’s feelings toward McCain. But that doesn’t mean Obama will move to the center. Based on what Obama has done in the past and based on what he says now, I don’t see how anyone can draw that conclusion. He won’t change his stripes.
Making “good” the enemy of “best” usually results with “worst”. There will be two choices in November. Pick the one you want to be president, not the one you don’t.
I agree but if we keep sending signals that he can do and say whatever he wants and we will follow like lemmings he’s going to get worse.
Please don’t count me as one of those who will even consider voting for Obama. sara and Andrea, do you think that even if you closely examined his possible conservatism and watched him tack toward the center in the general election season, you could really understand what’s behind that mask? Do you think you could trust whatever he says?
The most important consideration of all is America’s role in the world. Jimmy Carter handed Iran to the mullahs, and that miserable impoverished barbarian country has now got Europe, Israel, and the U.S. wrapped around the axle, and they’re also fighting us in Iraq. Bill Clinton was so busy doing nothing so as not to leave a mark on his presidency that Osama bin Laden got to do a dry run of the WTC attack with impunity.
Obama as the head of the American state? Just as Europe and Asian allies are beginning to get a clue (cf. elections in Italy, France, Germany, England, and South Korea)? Guys!
McCain’s only advantage is that he’s the white candidate in a country where there are more white racists than black racists. False, he has a HUGE advantage in experience and achievement over B.O., the Affirmative Action candidate. But that’s a huge advantage, Hilarious LIE. one that could well overcome all of McCain’s disadvantages (his pro-war policies, his flipflopping on issues, compared to whom? his admitted ignorance of economics, As opposed to B.O.’s “tax us to new energy sources understanding? his history of being on the take (e.g. the Keating Five), his vote against Martin Luther King Day, Sound and principled atance MLK is more important than Lincoln or Washington? Laughable. It actually shows McCain’s courage going against the Race Pimps and their obsequious supporters. his age, B.O. has him beat there if inexperience and immaturity are a virtue. etc.).
He is the candidate who voted against authorizing the invasion of Iraq. And that has got him where he is today.
Who does he need to court? The 30% who still support the war in Iraq? Why? Besides, he’d never get their votes anyway.
Look at some of the posts in this thread. He might very well get their votes. But when we talk about him moving away from the anti-war crowd, we don’t mean that he will start saying that the war was a good idea. Of course he’s not going to say that! We just mean that he might take a more responsible position, and instead of insisting that there will be an immediate pull-out, he might recognize the need to leave Iraq a viable state and avoid a catastrophic defeat.
He is the candidate who voted against authorizing the invasion of Iraq. And that has got him where he is today.
Who does he need to court? The 30% who still support the war in Iraq? Why? Besides, he’d never get their votes anyway.
Look at some of the posts in this thread. He might very well get their votes. But when we talk about him moving away from the anti-war crowd, we don’t mean that he will start saying that the war was a good idea. Of course he’s not going to say that! We just mean that he might take a more responsible position, and instead of insisting that there will be an immediate pull-out, he might recognize the need to leave Iraq a viable state and avoid a catastrophic defeat.
I was looking forward to hearing your opinion Deeper Thought and I’m glad that you as well as myself are looking beyond the envelope on this. There could have been no greater supporter of McCain than myself and Roy Rodgers, Rocketman and perhaps yoursef and one or two more on this forum. Most people on the forum have zilch to say for McCain.
I had believed that McCain, with all his shortcomings, would do what President Bush had done; that is to try to get a good team around him in areas where he may be deficient and to show the humility that our current President has consistantly shown in that regard.
The most important task McCain had to undertake was to hire a top economic advisor -better than Obamas. What he did was to hire a woman who came up with the idea of trying to con the electorate with a ‘gas holdiday that would have given each of us a half a tank of gas and diverted money from construction or the safe maintanance of bridges etc.
That was inexcusable and unforgivable in itself as it showed a serious defect of character in McCain. But then not to replace this advisor with someone else was the last straw for me.
Naturally I am hoping by some miracle McCain might see sense but speaking to La Raza and therefore endorsing illegal immigration is placing him almost beyond the realms of posibility for me.
I once again make the allegation that the GOP are deliberatly losing this election. I cannot understand why they were happy to allow the bunch of missfits to stand that stood without one of these miracle governors that Rocketman says will come on stream as McCains VP being encouraged to stand.
Remember the hype and the panic and the hysteria at the last election about President Bush? He was in the pockets of oil, he was friends with the Bin Laden family, Cheyney has an interest in Halliburton and that was the real reason for all he did? It was just that; Hype by association. That is what is being thrown at Obama now.
I think anyone who listenes carefully to the clip at the beginning of the thread or reads the signals from Obama should open their mind to the possibility that he is going to reposition himself towards Reagan. For instance he said very pointedly in his last speech in North Carolina that at the end of the Election he would tell the truth, the unvarnished truth. That to me is a signal that the US-hating, anti-war mob are in for a shock.
OK it’s all supposition at the moment but let’s all watch more carefully what is going. Curtiss may be right, Michelle, Miss Orange and others may be right, maybe Obama is not going to change. But let’s keep our eyes open.
OK it’s all supposition at the moment but let’s all watch more carefully what is going. Curtiss may be right, Michelle and others may be right, maybe Obama is not going to change. But let’s keep our eyes open.
What has Obama accomplished, and where has he been sitting these past 20 years? Why has he been compelled to “explain” everything he’s done, everything he’s said, and everyone he’s associated with?
“One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.” ~ William of Ockham
I believe you learn everything you need to know about someone by what they’ve said and done up to today, NOT by what you “hope” they will say or do tomorrow.
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He comes from a military background where he was basically taken care of by the military in every way imagineable. Hell, his meals were prepared for him for god’s sake.
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For goodness’s sake, man, get a bloody grip!
I mean, disliking McCain is one thing, but you’ve just crossed into the land of unadulterated DailyKos-like idiocy with this one.
“[H]is meals were prepared for him”, eh? Yeah, his military life was chock-full of ... perks, like extended R&R in exotic locales (perfectly “al dente” rice, regular ... “massages”, attentive staff, etc.):
You people thinking Obama is going to morph into some latter day Ronald Reagan make me think Republicans/Conservatives have become something different. Whatever you see in him that makes you think he will even approach the center stage is mystery to me. You guys have been seeing too many ads for HOPE and CHANGE and are drinking the kool-aid. You might listen to his pastor or his mentors for change......that is change all right! I am off this thread, it is too scary for me.
The most important task McCain had to undertake was to hire a top economic advisor -better than Obamas. What he did was to hire a woman who came up with the idea of trying to con the electorate with a ‘gas holdiday that would have given each of us a half a tank of gas and diverted money from construction or the safe maintanance of bridges etc.
That was inexcusable and unforgivable in itself as it showed a serious defect of character in McCain. But then not to replace this advisor with someone else was the last straw for me.
Fair enough, but let’s not have a double-standard. Obama’s foreign policy team has been just as inexcusable.
sarasara - 12 May 2008 05:07 AM
Naturally I am hoping by some miracle McCain might see sense but speaking to La Raza and therefore endorsing illegal immigration is placing him almost beyond the realms of posibility for me.
I want to hear what he says to them. I know it seems very unlikely, but maybe, just maybe, it will be his Sister Souljah moment.
sarasara - 12 May 2008 05:07 AM
I once again make the allegation that the GOP are deliberatly losing this election.
But that assumes that there is a GOP leadership which has a plan and is capable of putting it into action.
sarasara - 12 May 2008 05:07 AM
I think anyone who listenes carefully to the clip at the beginning of the thread or reads the signals from Obama should open their mind to the possibility that he is going to reposition himself towards Reagan. For instance he said very pointedly in his last speech in North Carolina that at the end of the Election he would tell the truth, the unvarnished truth. That to me is a signal that the US-hating, anti-war mob are in for a shock.
I doubt he will do anything shocking, but obviously he will try to move to the center. As your post illustrates, people want to like Obama. They want to give him a chance. For some reason, people project their hopes onto him. But for this very reason, the mob you refer to is not going to become disenchanted with him. They will go along with him happily, projecting onto him whatever it is that they want to see. It’s funny that someone with such an unblemished liberal record can manage to appear mysterious, but somehow he does it. I confess that I sometimes think along the same lines: maybe his leftism is all a facade, just part of his strategy to quickly grab power within his party. There is some support for this idea, if you look at the choices he made early on.
How many slaughters does the GOP have to go thru before they
get serious with their leadership?
They basically have the same people in place that they had
for 2006?
How much blood has to flow before they fix something?
You people thinking Obama is going to morph into some latter day Ronald Reagan make me think Republicans/Conservatives have become something different. Whatever you see in him that makes you think he will even approach the center stage is mystery to me. You guys have been seeing too many ads for HOPE and CHANGE and are drinking the kool-aid. You might listen to his pastor or his mentors for change......that is change all right! I am off this thread, it is too scary for me.
Who exactly here thinks that? Bit of a stretch don’t you think.
You people thinking Obama is going to morph into some latter day Ronald Reagan make me think Republicans/Conservatives have become something different. Whatever you see in him that makes you think he will even approach the center stage is mystery to me. You guys have been seeing too many ads for HOPE and CHANGE and are drinking the kool-aid. You might listen to his pastor or his mentors for change......that is change all right! I am off this thread, it is too scary for me.
Thanks Anna. Perhaps we are witness to some “Messiah Miracle” here.
Lest we forget about the dangers inherent to walking in space.
Mission Control to Sara. Use your backup O2. Do you read? Over.
