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well once again I’m suitably chastized!

But on a lighter note I would like to point out that if there were truly a time machine and we put meliorist in it, then set the controls for oh say 50 years in the future the net result would be oldjim.

What would you tolerate having done to your wife and children to “question” them, Yell? Do you think keeping them awake by kicking or punching them for several days would be torture? How about soaking them with cold water and keeping them chained up in a cold room for hours at a time? Solitary confinement for a few weeks can be described as “being shut indoors all day with the lights on,” and if we add some music at 120 DB, I suppose you might consider that free entertainment. To give your family members a refreshing break from beatings and sleep deprivation, they could be subjected to controlled drowning, a process by which they are suffocated to the brink of death, repeatedly, until they are willing to declare that you are a terrorist.

I don’t know what dehumanizing influences compel a man to deny that sustained deliberate abuse of human beings is not torture, but it is a sad thing to witness. Were it not for the legal strictures against torture, I don’t think you would even bother with your denial games. But since you seem to have some respect for the law, you are trying to redefine torture to make Bush-authorized abuse of captives seem legal. That hasn’t worked out very well for the Bush administration, so perhaps you should think about how it reflects on you.

All you had to say was
01010
01020
and Poster is Inhuman Monster we can code that as 01040
and the classic 02020

see how easy that is? I covered all your points with 20 characters.  But I guess you’re just 01030

The Yell has this exactly right. I’ve often proposed such a coding system for some of the cranks I’ve encountered. Just let them use a few codes, after all the rants are all the same!

so what we have here is theme and variation by meliorist. We could use The Yell’s coding system and see how meliorist manages to simply repeat himself ad nauseum.

Frankly I think the boy is in training for the blow hard olympics.

The Yell - 12 May 2008 12:59 PM

smeagoliorist -

<snipped for the environment>

All you had to say was
01010
01020
and Poster is Inhuman Monster we can code that as 01040
and the classic 02020

see how easy that is? I covered all your points with 20 characters.  But I guess you’re just 01030

ID-10 T version. Need to flash for full code set support.

I was doing a human form, Roy.  Thanks for volunteering to do the flash version!

The Yell - 12 May 2008 01:40 PM

I was doing a human form, Roy.  Thanks for volunteering to do the flash version!

So torture is amusing?
[edit] After the Spanish-American War of 1898
After the Spanish American War of 1898 in the Philippines, the US Army used waterboarding which was called the “water cure” or “Chinese water torture.” at the time. Major Edwin Glenn was court martialed and sentenced to 10 years hard labor for waterboarding a suspected insurgent.[36] President Theodore Roosevelt ordered the court-martial of the American General on the island of Samar for allowing his troops to waterboard, when the court-martial found only that he had acted with excessive zeal Roosevelt disregarded the verdict and had the General dismissed from the Army.[37][38]

[edit] World War II
During World War II, Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, as well as the Gestapo,[39] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a method of torture.[40] During the Japanese occupation of Singapore the Double Tenth Incident occurred, which included waterboarding consisting of binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach.[41][42]

[edit] Algerian War
The technique was also used during the Algerian War (1954-1962). The French journalist Henri Alleg, who was subjected to waterboarding by French paratroopers in Algeria in 1957, is one of only a few people to have described in writing the first-hand experience of being waterboarded. His book The Question, published in 1958 with a preface by Jean-Paul Sartre (and subsequently banned in France until the end of the Algerian War in 1962) discusses the experience of being strapped to a plank, having his head wrapped in cloth and positioned beneath a running tap:

The rag was soaked rapidly. Water flowed everywhere: in my mouth, in my nose, all over my face. But for a while I could still breathe in some small gulps of air. I tried, by contracting my throat, to take in as little water as possible and to resist suffocation by keeping air in my lungs for as long as I could. But I couldn’t hold on for more than a few moments. I had the impression of drowning, and a terrible agony, that of death itself, took possession of me. In spite of myself, all the muscles of my body struggled uselessly to save me from suffocation. In spite of myself, the fingers of both my hands shook uncontrollably. “That’s it! He’s going to talk,” said a voice.

The water stopped running and they took away the rag. I was able to breathe. In the gloom, I saw the lieutenants and the captain, who, with a cigarette between his lips, was hitting my stomach with his fist to make me throw out the water I had swallowed.[43]

Alleg stated that he had not broken under his ordeal of being waterboarded.[44] Alleg has stated that the incidence of “accidental” death of prisoners being subjected to waterboarding in Algeria was “very frequent."[9]

[edit] Vietnam War
Waterboarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in the Vietnam War.[45] On January 21, 1968, The Washington Post published a controversial photograph of two U.S soldiers and one South Vietnamese soldier participating in the waterboarding of a North Vietnamese POW near Da Nang.photo[46] The article described the practice as “fairly common."[46] The photograph led to the soldier being court-martialled by a U.S. military court within one month of its publication, and he was discharged from the army.[45][47] Another waterboarding photograph of the same scene is also exhibited in the War Remnants Museum at Ho Chi Minh City.[48]

[edit] Chile
Further information: Operation Condor
Based on the testimonies from more than 35,000 victims, of the Pinochet regime, the Chilean Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture concluded that to provoke a near death experience, by waterboarding, is torture.[49]
[edit] Khmer Rouge
The Khmer Rouge at the Tuol Sleng prison in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, used waterboarding as a method of torture between 1975 and 1979.[50] The practice was documented in a painting by former inmate Vann Nath, which is on display in the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum.

HAS OUR NATION SUNK TO BELOW THESE LEVELS?
Has the new motto become Torture are us?

Poking fun at torture? Nope.

Poking fun at you and your ... tortuous ... rants, “Meliorist”? Oh yeah.

ps:
The above might as well be addressed to “oldjim”, too.

Real torture is not funny, however, the gyrations that you nimrods go through to try to make your vapid little points is quite amusing.

But on a lighter note I would like to point out that if there were truly a time machine and we put meliorist in it, then set the controls for oh say 50 years in the future the net result would be oldjim.

and oldjim delivers for me!  right on schedule.

Youdaman pops!

Meliorist - 12 May 2008 02:43 PM

Real torture is not funny, however, the gyrations that you nimrods go through to try to make your vapid little points is quite amusing.

Gyrations? Tell us again how repeatedly suffocating a person to the point of unconsciousness is not torture. Tell us again that waterboarding, a crime for which we executed Japanese officers is not torture. Tell us again how the use of waterboarding by the Spanish Inquisition to force confessions of “heresy” was not torture.

Tell us again how they are innocents.  Oh wait, you have already done that repeatedly.  Instead perhaps you could give us your 12 step program for how you plan to overcome your addiction to defending terrorists?

ChicagoGabriel - 12 May 2008 02:12 PM

Poking fun at torture? Nope.

Poking fun at you and your ... tortuous ... rants, “Meliorist”? Oh yeah.

ps:
The above might as well be addressed to “oldjim”, too.

Then if you do not find torture amusing, why the hell don’t you stop defending the idiots who are ordering torture done?
As the title of this post states, war criminals, are they convicted as yet?  No. Did they and have they ordered it done? Yes, based on a flimsy legal opinon by a mexican nazi, gonzo and the Yoo, the nut case who give them the leagal opinion to cover their butts, which as soon as a rational person took charge, yoo was out the door and his flimsy legal opinion was rescinded, which was, by the way, written after the torture had all ready started, according to some reports.

It is amazing that anyone rational could or WOULD defend torture just to defend the indefensibile, I ask you, “If it were Clinton doing this garbage, would you defend him, just because he is in the oval office?

Nixion resigned for much less and clinton was impeached over a blow job and these assclowns are torturing and beating people to death, the DOD’S autopsy reports are not even half amusing. And the people who gave the orders for this crap deserve to be tried as war criminals.
In fact, General Karpinski became Col. Karpinski because of torture in AbuGrabu or however the heck you spell it, some sgt. went to jail for ten years and I gues the little idiot pfc that was “having his baby” is out of jail by now.
Oh yes, lets remember General Sanchez, did not get his full set of stars and retired early because of Rumsfeld etc.
So its not just the “terrorist cab drivers” from Afghanstan who have lost a lot. 
I have yet to hear of a Afghanstani who took flying lessons learning how to steer the big birds, Note, 17 of 19 TERRORISTS were from Saudia Arabia. Speaking of old BinLaden, he has been off the bush radar scope how long now?  Bet dollars to donuts he is taking life easy at some nice little 50 room house, in Saudia Arabia, what do you think?  Gee, wonder why the bush family does not go after big bad bin laden? Could it be because of Bush-Bin Laden family ties?  Surely not.

oldjim - 12 May 2008 03:20 PM

Then if you do not find torture amusing, why the hell don’t you stop defending the idiots who are ordering torture done?

If torture (as you define it) offends you so deeply, why are giving a pass the Democrats who let it go forth when they were informed of it in 2001?

If you are sincere about what you say, these people should equally bear the focus of your ire as much as anyone else.  Instead you choose to treat them differently and as such, undermine the basis of your argument.

I have yet to hear of a Afghanstani who took flying lessons learning how to steer the big birds, Note, 17 of 19 TERRORISTS were from Saudia Arabia. Speaking of old BinLaden, he has been off the bush radar scope how long now?  Bet dollars to donuts he is taking life easy at some nice little 50 room house, in Saudia Arabia, what do you think?  Gee, wonder why the bush family does not go after big bad bin laden? Could it be because of Bush-Bin Laden family ties?  Surely not.

In answer to your question pop: I think you’re crazy. Stark raving mad.

Meliorist: this is what the future has in store for you. Right now you come off as a young fool. The above quote is from a old fool.  And remember, no fool like an old fool.

And so you settle into the same groove of obscene hilarity which the forum mods shut down in January...SPANISH INQUISITION = BUSH = JAPAN

Mods, slam it closed!

Meliorist - 12 May 2008 04:52 PM

Tell us again how they are innocents.  Oh wait, you have already done that repeatedly.  Instead perhaps you could give us your 12 step program for how you plan to overcome your addiction to defending terrorists?

I’ll tell you how. The US was paying bounties of several thousand dollars for each “Taliban” or “Al Qaeda” suspect handed over in Afghanistan. Dozens of these people were innocent and were handed over to settle scores or make money. Some of them were killed under torture.

Implicit in your attitude toward our captives is that “mistakes” are justified by the threat we face. That means that you are willing to accept torturing and killing of innocent people. If they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, that’s just too bad. They should have been born in an American suburb if they wanted to be treated fairly.

420 of the 775 Guantanamo detainees have been released. How guilty were they?

“Dozens of these people were innocent and were handed over to settle scores or make money. Some of them were killed under torture.”

Give us names.  If you don’t have names, then you don’t have evidence, and you are just making charges.  Be specific when you are making such a charge. 

How many of these “non-guilty” Guantanamo releasees have been found back on the battlefield?  How many, during the last month, have committed suicide bombings?  It is apparent that your detainees that have been released are not all lilly-white, no?

And how many of them were in the custody of the Afghans?  How many in US custody?  Do you know?  Be specific, because without specificity, all you are doing is throwing out words.